Is the Earth flat?

[Dino246]

@GaryA...n

You have avoided the topic, and now it is time to step up an answer. You are well aware, I'm sure, of "The Final Experiment" that took place several months ago, as researchers traveled to Antarctica and proved that the sun is visible for 24 hours straight, debunking the North-centric flat Earth model.

Please explain how there can be a flat Earth where the sun is visible for 24 hours in the North during Northern summer, and 24 hours in the South during Southern summer.

No digression, red herrings, ad hominems, or any other fallacious arguments. Just a straight answer.

 

[Jackson129]

In this day of age with satellites and drones and billions of people with a cell phone cameras not one picture of the edge of the earth exists. Not a single one. Thousands of videos and pics some unexplained of ufo's but not one of the edge of the earth.

 

[Lynx]

In this day of age with satellites and drones and billions of people with a cell phone cameras not one picture of the edge of the earth exists. Not a single one. Thousands of videos and pics some unexplained of ufo's but not one of the edge of the earth.

That's what I keep saying. We now have the technology to go out and look at the edge. Why has nobody done so?

One little trip and all doubts would be settled...

 

[Texasgal]

That's what I keep saying. We now have the technology to go out and look at the edge. Why has nobody done so?

One little trip and all doubts would be settled...

I think they sent out a unit to find the edge a few years back, but the edge seems to be moving forward at the same speed as the unit are.

 

[Crazyjmill]

This is gonna be fun...

No, I believe God already checked the tires and put air in it.

 

[hornetguy]

Everyone that has gone out to find the edge has fallen off.... never to be heard from again...

 

[Magenta]

Everyone that has gone out to find the edge has fallen off.... never to be heard from again...

flat earth/cats

 

[CommodoreTeach]

@GaryA...n

You have avoided the topic, and now it is time to step up an answer. You are well aware, I'm sure, of "The Final Experiment" that took place several months ago, as researchers traveled to Antarctica and proved that the sun is visible for 24 hours straight, debunking the North-centric flat Earth model.

Please explain how there can be a flat Earth where the sun is visible for 24 hours in the North during Northern summer, and 24 hours in the South during Southern summer.

No digression, red herrings, ad hominems, or any other fallacious arguments. Just a straight answer.

I believe the video is questionable. Its also inconsistent with early explorers' accounts of Antarctica, which indicated there was always a night period. So if true, some useful evidence Flat Earth theory can't explain (yet). But I doubt it's any truer than NASA videos, and deep fake technology is a lot better today than when they first started lying about landing on the moon.

 

[GaryA]

@GaryA...n

You have avoided the topic, and now it is time to step up an answer. You are well aware, I'm sure, of "The Final Experiment" that took place several months ago, as researchers traveled to Antarctica and proved that the sun is visible for 24 hours straight, debunking the North-centric flat Earth model.

Please explain how there can be a flat Earth where the sun is visible for 24 hours in the North during Northern summer, and 24 hours in the South during Southern summer.

No digression, red herrings, ad hominems, or any other fallacious arguments. Just a straight answer.

Not avoiding anything - forgot about it - been really busy IRL with work keeping me tired almost continually - do not have time for it - do not have to give you any answers just because you demand it.

I have watched a video or two that debunks the video you posted - but, have not arrived at a final conclusion yet.

For the moment, my best "answer" is to say that I will have to agree with what @CommodoreTeach said in post #88.

Did you watch any of those videos I posted? Did any of it sink in and make sense?

 

[Dino246]

Not avoiding anything - forgot about it - been really busy IRL with work keeping me tired almost continually - do not have time for it - do not have to give you any answers just because you demand it.

I don't demand, but I do challenge. If you can't process a rather significant source of evidence against your position, then I see little reason to consider anything further from you on the subject. In other words, let's deal with the elephant in your room first.

I have watched a video or two that debunks the video you posted - but, have not arrived at a final conclusion yet.

Have you watched any of the primary source videos?

For the moment, my best "answer" is to say that I will have to agree with what CommodoreTeach said in post #88.

Did you consider that periods of night would occur below a certain latitude, or outside a certain season? Nobody is challenging that.

Did you watch any of those videos I posted? Did any of it sink in and make sense?

I have not... but then this thread is a week or two old, while the Final Experiment is nine months old.

 

[gb9]

In this day of age with satellites and drones and billions of people with a cell phone cameras not one picture of the edge of the earth exists. Not a single one. Thousands of videos and pics some unexplained of ufo's but not one of the edge of the earth.

that because there is not one!

 

[Lynx]

 

[Dino246]

Why is Flat Earth Important?

(8 minutes 10 seconds)

https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/whyisflatearthimportant:f

Empty blather based on fear, assumptions, and evidence-devoid assertions.

 

[Dino246]

Gravity: The Universal Psyop

(10 minutes 22 seconds)

https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Gravity-The-Universal-Psyop:c

Error based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the law of gravity. The example of the world trade centre is laughable in its ignorance. I didn’t bother finishing.

 

[Edward429451]

In this day of age with satellites and drones and billions of people with a cell phone cameras not one picture of the edge of the earth exists. Not a single one. Thousands of videos and pics some unexplained of ufo's but not one of the edge of the earth.

Not only that but I have heard a lot of Testimonies from quite a few people in youboob videos of being above the earth with Jesus, or an Angel. And not one of them has ever said, oh I seen the earth was flat! Because if the earth was really flat, that would be a big thing and someone would mention it! So that's enough proof for me that earth is round.

 

[Dino246]

Flat Earth is Stupid

(7 minutes 37 seconds)

https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/Flat-Earth-is-Stupid:b

This video presents some reasonable defenses for challenging established scientific ideas, but says nothing substantial in favour of flat earth theories.

 

[Dino246]

What is the Horizon?

(8 minutes)

https://odysee.com/@EricDubay:c/What-is-the-Horizon:d

Once again, the author of the video focuses on a very narrow set of observable phenomena while completely ignoring very relevant associated phenomena. To wit, he talks about the sunset being merely the apparent moving of the sun beyond the vanishing point, while ignoring both observed angular motion and the required vertical angle of the sun over a flat earth.

 

[CommodoreTeach]

Not only that but I have heard a lot of Testimonies from quite a few people in youboob videos of being above the earth with Jesus, or an Angel. And not one of them has ever said, oh I seen the earth was flat! Because if the earth was really flat, that would be a big thing and someone would mention it! So that's enough proof for me that earth is round.

Interesting argument. But I'd counter - did any of these ever describe the Earth as a ball? Also, some report extremely far reaching vision - which would be impossible on a curved Earth, given the curvature. I know all arguments could have counter spiritual explanations, but I've never read one where someone reports a ball-Earth.

I did once have a semi-realistic-type dream where I was up amongst stars, which seemed strange to me given stars are supposed to be millions of light-years away (so how could I be so close to them and the Earth if they really were so far?) I was a ball-Earther then. Later on, when I came to realise that the Earth actually is flat, I realised that the stars aren't so far away. The huge distances to stars is only required by Heliocentricity, to explain why the stars appear to maintain their positions in the sky between Summer and Winter if the Earth really is orbiting the sun (and in theory itself traveling a significant distance between these times).

The distance to the stars (i.e. time for starlight to reach Earth) is something most Creationists can't easily explain - if God created the Earth in 6 days, as He did, how are the stars millions of light years away? Easy to answer for Flat Earth Creationists, as there is no requirement for the stars to be so far. They're less than 1 light-day away, so the starlight would easily travel to Earth within the day without invoking any special theories about time or speed-of-light decay.

 

[Lynx]

Interesting argument. But I'd counter - did any of these ever describe the Earth as a ball? Also, some report extremely far reaching vision - which would be impossible on a curved Earth, given the curvature. I know all arguments could have counter spiritual explanations, but I've never read one where someone reports a ball-Earth.

I did once have a semi-realistic-type dream where I was up amongst stars, which seemed strange to me given stars are supposed to be millions of light-years away (so how could I be so close to them and the Earth if they really were so far?) I was a ball-Earther then. Later on, when I came to realise that the Earth actually is flat, I realised that the stars aren't so far away. The huge distances to stars is only required by Heliocentricity, to explain why the stars appear to maintain their positions in the sky between Summer and Winter if the Earth really is orbiting the sun (and in theory itself traveling a significant distance between these times).

The distance to the stars (i.e. time for starlight to reach Earth) is something most Creationists can't easily explain - if God created the Earth in 6 days, as He did, how are the stars millions of light years away? Easy to answer for Flat Earth Creationists, as there is no requirement for the stars to be so far. They're less than 1 light-day away, so the starlight would easily travel to Earth within the day without invoking any special theories about time or speed-of-light decay.

I had a VERY realistic dream last night where mom had dementia but somehow drove across the state to show up at my house. I was despondent because now I have to find somebody to watch her while I go to w*rk. Can't leave her wandering the streets alone.

He who has dreamed a dream, let him tell a dream.

How old is the earth? What shape is it? What really happened to all the dinosaurs? Was the moon landing real? All these and more are questions I might ask when I get to Heaven. Or maybe not.

In the meantime, as Sherlock said, they do not make a pennyworth of difference to me or to my work. I'm still going to leave for my job in a minute, do the best I can, come home, eat a few bites of lemon icebox pie and go to bed eventually.

 

[Lynx]

So there's this video game called Rings of Saturn. In it you fly a mining ship around ice chunks in Saturn's rings. Blast the ice with projectiles, microwave beams or lasers, collect any scraps of ore you might find and try to not run into anything. That last part is the tricky one. Along the way you can upgrade your ship, get crew, follow their stories about acquiring a pet cat for the ship or finding a relative who got lost in a space shipwreck or whatever, and meet people like the renegates of Ganymede. It's a pretty chill game about melting ice and hoovering up ore.

What does that prove about the shape of the earth? Not a thing. But playing that pointless game is a LOT more profitable than playing this game where we argue back and forth in a debate that is even more circular than the earth (allegedly) is.