Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?
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Yes. God has not predestined Himself to go against Himself. He has not predestined Himself to act in a way that contradicts His very nature/character/attributes.
Says who? Your logic? Scripture? You should be glad he changed his mind concerning you. You were dead in sins and trespasses and were by nature, a child of wrath.
Brother, those are strong words. One should be careful of such accusations. Let's all use a little more grace please.
He would certainly cease being the God you have created in your own mind. But God is not the God you have invented in your own mind. The God you have invented does not correspond to the revelation He has given of himself in the Bible, who changes His mind. It does correspond to the uncaused cause postulated by Plato. If we are made in God's image. it is not an anthropomorphism to liken us to God in one of the ways that we have been made in His image.
Well what it means is he has predestined his will to change our future with him,Just pointing out a false narrative brother. I never claimed that's your view, just asking a question. And the fruit is "temperance".
We don't have to be that intelligent to realise his whole word is about changing people, and that if he doesn't well there future is set in one direction.
God had an unchanging purpose for each of us. His ways are not our ways and to imply He ever had to rethink something is simply an illusion created by imperfect language. He is immutable and cannot change. Humanity lacks the capacity to fully comprehend eternity, much less the perfect love of God. So here is my last attempt to convey to you the established orthodoxy of this position:
A careful reading of Scripture shows that passages where God is said to “repent,” “relent,” or “change His mind” are not denials of divine omniscience but instances of anthropopathic language—
God communicating His actions in terms humans can understand—while His eternal knowledge and purpose remain unchanged. The Bible affirms without ambiguity that God knows all things exhaustively (Psalm 147:5; Isaiah 46:9–10; Hebrews 4:13) and that His nature and ultimate will do not fluctuate (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Malachi 3:6; James 1:17). When God “relents” in narratives such as Jonah 3:10 or Exodus 32:14, the text itself frames this as a change in human conditions, not a revision of divine knowledge—God responding consistently to repentance in accordance with His unchanging character (Jeremiah 18:7–10).
This understanding is not a later theological imposition but the settled conviction of early Christian orthodoxy:
Irenaeus affirmed that God possesses complete foreknowledge while genuinely engaging human history (Against Heresies II.28), Origen explicitly taught that Scriptural depictions of divine emotion are accommodations to human weakness (On First Principles II.4), and Augustine decisively stated that God does not change His will but changes His works in time according to His eternal decree (City of God XV.25).
To claim that these texts deny omniscience therefore places one not in continuity with biblical theology or the early Church, but in conflict with both—misreading narrative condescension as divine limitation.
Biblically, the only thing that is mentioned that is predestinated is the believer unto the adoption, the redemption of our body.
God's omniscience was never denied. We simply allow scripture to define the term, not man.
Thats more than one thing that's everything, and there's much to be understood about what that means.
The basic understanding is he predestines us in what he knows in advance about us.
Once we are in Christ through believing the gospel, God seals us for our end result which is the redemption of our body. Our soul is in Christ, but our body needs to be changed to match our righteous, saved soul.
Yet, you are a man? All I’m saying is that no matter how much we know about God, there is always a greater degree of understanding awaiting all of us. That’s the beauty of His word, it’s depths lie deeper than the wisest man.
I'm not saying he doesn't, but Scripture please...