Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?
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Scripture, please stating God has foreknowledge of all those who will be saved. Thanks. And it's not Romans 8.
The word is “foreknowledge”; there is no hyphen. “For” is a preposition, while “fore” is an adjective.
are you saying God doesn't know the future ?Scripture, please stating God has foreknowledge of all those who will be saved. Thanks. And it's not Romans 8.
I'm asking you to post scripture that states that God knows all things, all decisions, all outcomes before they occur?
I believe the future as stated in scripture, yes, he knows it and will determine it to come to pass. I also believe there are things God has chosen not to know but can still work in and through every thought and decision of man. If it is knowledge to be known, God knows it. God is perfect in knowledge.
Job 37:16 Dost thou know the balancings of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?
Quit dodging. Step up and provide the evidence to support your assertion
no I'm not dodging posted several scriptures already about God knowing the future and to him in another thread to if I'm not mistaken
So far they've all been ignored,
Either a person believes God knows the future or he doesn't.
I've stated he knew the day Paul would be filled with the holy spirit, it as clear as day in scripture, why did he know, well he knew in advance Paul's whole life, which means halfway through it he decided his whole life was deserving of salvation. Because if you look at the rest of Paul's life with God he did what God wanted him to do. Which means God decided to give his reward half way through his life,
Those who are not deserving when God looks at there whole life, well they get handed over to disobedience.
So here's the thing it doesn't take a genius to work this out.
That the fathers devine nature goes to work in a person first, on the bases that one day they will have the devine nature of the son who will go to work in a person, And guess what, Gods know the day when a person will be deserving of the son, but only after the devine nature of the father decides.
Fixed it for you.
Now do what the other kickers in the teeth do here and Mock it
There may be one in his new, updated version.
But what if God has chosen to work within the time that he created?
But what if God has chosen to work within the time that he created?
somehow I just knew you would show your ignorance again, there was scripture as clear as day in the last post.
I'm sure they haven't been ignored. Rather, your conclusion has not been confirmed. Or, you are mistaken.
That's a false dichotomy. If you think it is sound, then provide the scriptural evidence to support it... here, in this thread, in response to my request.
There is no Scripture in your previous post, clear or otherwise. In fact, you haven't posted any Scripture since page 8, and we're on page 12.
I can accept that doesn't disparage God in any way nor is it necessarily asserting that God is either impotent or not omniscient. God knows all there is to know, and if there is anything He has left to the unknown, it doesn't intimidate Him.
If “All things were created by Him and for Him,” what would be outside of His sphere of knowledge?
The Greek Text (Col 1:16b)
τὰ πάντα δι’ αὐτοῦ καὶ εἰς αὐτὸν ἔκτισται
Literal word-by-word breakdown
- τὰ πάντα — “all things” (the totality; nothing excluded)
- δι’ αὐτοῦ — “through Him”
- διά + genitive indicates agency or means
- καὶ — “and”
- εἰς αὐτόν — “unto Him / for Him”
- εἰς expresses goal, direction, or purpose
- ἔκτισται — “have been created”
- perfect passive indicative of κτίζω
- emphasizes a completed act with ongoing results
If he leaves you a choice of where to eat tomorrow, and knows your plans to go out, He can 'predict' that you'll go to McDonalds and get the No.1 because He knows your inclinations... I just meant to express the awareness of "seeing" both sides of the argument, not that I'm committed to either.
But that 'there is nothing that is not given to us' by His grace doesn't necessarily exclude the choice that we didn't make wasn't made 'available' for the choosing. Although there is no doubt that God would know the result of either choice, it just seems to me that an argument from hindsight is employing some sort of fallacy, i.e. "Since I didn't make that choice, God must've known I wouldn't have."