So, God controls me even when I sin. Got it. I have no accountability because it is what I was determined to do by an all-powerful God. Is this what you are subscribing to?
Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?
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So, God controls me even when I sin. Got it. I have no accountability because it is what I was determined to do by an all-powerful God. Is this what you are subscribing to?
God has stated in his word that there are certain outcomes in which he will not repent, mainly, his long-term plan for the nation of Israel. But it is obvious as one studies scripture, that God has given man the freedom to live and make choices, and these choices have consequences, but the almighty God works in and through these choices to ultimately bring about his desired end as stated in scripture.
The lord is not just a shepherd but he's also our master, and no where did he imply he's forces you against your will,
What his will does is change you from the inside out, where as you decide to say forceful instead , like so many who are in rebellion they will not take a simple request to be told what to do or even corrected, just like the many scriptures I've posted that had no suitable answers by @PaulThomson, who has willfully forced his ideas onto me, without even bating an eye lid like you,
No asking just labelling as labelers always do
One of the things Jesus said, Was that harlots and publicans will enter into the kingdom of heaven. But those others will not.
Jesus also said, By everyone's works they shall be judged in the last day.
A person can claim they are saved and be a Christain, and another person can be unsaved and not a Christian. The one who is not saved might have God's favor and the one who says they are saved will not have so much favor. We know we love God, if we obey he's commandments.
Jesus also said, By everyone's works they shall be judged in the last day.
A person can claim they are saved and be a Christain, and another person can be unsaved and not a Christian. The one who is not saved might have God's favor and the one who says they are saved will not have so much favor. We know we love God, if we obey he's commandments.
Quote: This is in contrast with a powerful God that controls everything that happens in everyone's life.
Are you on board with this quote?
Fair enough but using the words "weak God" kind of indicated that you were in favor of the other brand you stated.
One of the fruits is self control he places in you, so maybe you could accept that he sees your controlling nature as something that's needs controlling
Open theism does not deny omniscience.
It defines omniscience differently from the classical theory. It defines omniscience as knowing everything that IS true.
It does not presume that every aspect of the future is knowable in advance as true NOW by God, since the scriptures do not say that every aspect of the future is known NOW by God. The idea that every aspect of the future is known NOW by God is derived from Greek platonic reasoning that is flawed. Platonic reasoning considers that, after change, "what was" has become either better than "it was" or worse than "it was". That is an invalid premise.
God can change and yet still remain perfect. A good child can change into an equally good adolescent and then into an equally good adult. They do not have to become a better or a worse person just because they change. A beautiful rock can be sculpted into a beautiful human form. That the rock has become different does not mean that the rock was worse than the sculpture.
Closed theist are post hoc rationalising how God can interact with creation without Him changing, because they assume He cannot change: that He is immutable. But their rationalisation is unnecessary, if scripture gives examples of God changing.
Then you obviously disagree with its established, historical, literal meaning.
Just pointing out a false narrative brother. I never claimed that's your view, just asking a question. And the fruit is "temperance".
I use the book of Jonah as an example. God changed his mind based upon the response of Nineveh to his word. God did not do what he said he would do unto them. This does not make God a liar, but a reachable, touchable God by responding to his word. Imagine a God so powerful that he is working in and through the decisions of man, and yet, never compromising who he is.
Jonah 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.
The KJV word is "temperance" which was poisoned by the "temperance" movement of the early 1900's to mean abstinence from alcohol. "Self control" is a perfectly adequate translation... and probably better because "temperance" is nearly archaic now.Just pointing out a false narrative brother. I never claimed that's your view, just asking a question. And the fruit is "temperance".
Do you see God actually changing His mind, or simply showing mercy, instead of judgement?
Wasn't God showing mercy to announce His intentions in the first place. In doing so, God provided an opportunity for Nineveh to 'realign' their 'perspective' to harmonize with His, and their adjustment satisfied His conditions, accordingly, per His judgment.
Both, the scripture literally states, "and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not."
God specifically told them that in forty days he would overthrow them. He did not overthrow them. He changed his plans for them based upon their response to his word.