Is Anything Not Predestinated by God?

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Ancient Israel was “elect” but did not believe in Jesus Christ.
not in a spiritual or a personal sense they where all tho many probably believed they was,

They where chosen yes but the understanding is they where chosen and undeserving of being chosen, which means chosen also means called and not necessarily elect

Deuteronomy 7:7-8

Numbers 11:4-6

Hebrews 3:12-19
 
Correction - God knew they would be born from the beginning, long before the world was even created.

Long before they were born, the Lord knew they would be born.

That is not in scripture anywhere. It just says that from the beginning, God knew people would be conceived and born. It does not teach that God knew from the beginning those who those would be conceived and born.
 
That is not in scripture anywhere. It just says that from the beginning, God knew people would be conceived and born. It does not teach that God knew from the beginning those who those would be conceived and born.
whilst God's message can be seen as personal they are often applicable to all, Jeremiah 1:5

The belief is that all life is Gods

Psalms 139:13

Galatians 1:15

Psalms 139:16

Hope this helps byee
 
whilst God's message can be seen as personal they are often applicable to all, Jeremiah 1:5

The belief is that all life is Gods

Psalms 139:13

Galatians 1:15

Psalms 139:16

Hope this helps byee

No, it does not help. I don't see any relevance in your post to whether God knows people before they exist. A parent-to-be can love their future child without yet knowing the child. A parent-to-be can name a child before they are conceived, without knowing the child. A parent-to-be can predict certain things about their child such as which university they will attend and which carer they will follow, and may have the power to direct the child into fulfilling those predicted aspects without yet knowing the child.
 
No, it does not help. I don't see any relevance in your post to whether God knows people before they exist. A parent-to-be can love their future child without yet knowing the child. A parent-to-be can name a child before they are conceived, without knowing the child. A parent-to-be can predict certain things about their child such as which university they will attend and which carer they will follow, and may have the power to direct the child into fulfilling those predicted aspects without yet knowing the child.
no worries
No, it does not help. I don't see any relevance in your post to whether God knows people before they exist. A parent-to-be can love their future child without yet knowing the child. A parent-to-be can name a child before they are conceived, without knowing the child. A parent-to-be can predict certain things about their child such as which university they will attend and which carer they will follow, and may have the power to direct the child into fulfilling those predicted aspects without yet knowing the child.
Theres no help I can give you then, if you can't see the wisdom just shown to you,

Was it you who refused to acknowledge God doesn't know the future in another thread ? by citing conflicting scripture and using verses that suggest God could of not of known the future by what was said,

Are you sure you've not just decided to remain right in your opinion rather than amit your wrong because of a argument you once had.

You rule your understanding out to in favour of human wisdom There's something missing here with you,

Are you a Christian ?
 
Common ploy of the cherry pickers to reject the whole counsel of God and only believe a few things the Lord says in His Word are true then accusing the Lord of lying the rest of the time. View attachment 283614

Here are some bible verse where the Lord is saying it's His will for ALL to be saved and He has provided salvation for ALL

Just because many do not get saved does not mean the Lord refused to provide salvation for them and that He does not want them to be saved as the false teachers claim as they have fallen for satan's lies by rejecting the whole counsel of the Lord

It's pretty sad when folks claim to know the Lord are actually speaking in behalf of the devil
We know the speak for the devil when they claim some of what God says in His Word are lies

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men unto me.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth ALL men every where to repent:

2 Corinthians 5:19,20
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:17,18
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.


NOTE - Romans 5:17,18 is clearly telling us that the free gift came upon all men agreeing with Titus 2:11,12

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to ALL men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

God loves us all, the only one good
Thank you Lord., Thank you
 
no worries
Theres no help I can give you then, if you can't see the wisdom just shown to you,

Was it you who refused to acknowledge God doesn't know the future in another thread ? by citing conflicting scripture and using verses that suggest God could of not of known the future by what was said,

Are you sure you've not just decided to remain right in your opinion rather than amit your wrong because of a argument you once had.

You rule your understanding out to in favour of human wisdom There's something missing here with you,

Are you a Christian ?

You haven't given any biblical evidence that proves your claims, or even supports your claims. I believe the Bible, and follow Jesus Christ the Lord, not the traditions of men.
 
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First there is none righteous not one.

So you're claiming after a person accepts God's plan of salvation by turning from their sin unto the Lord getting born again to abide in Christ the blood of Jesus is not powerful enough to make them in right standing with the Lord???

If so, you are sadly mistaken and have been deceived by the devil in to rejecting God's Word.



Jesus didn't shed His blood for hell. Jesus didn't shed His blood for unrepentant sinners.

You missed where God actually said in His Word He died for sinners

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Maybe you should stay up on the porch with the pups!
You're nott quite ready to run with the big dogs


All heretics ultimately go to hell.

Those following calvinism are heretics and that's where they go when they die, straight to hell
 
You haven't given any biblical evidence that proves your claims, or even supports your claims. I believe the Bible, and follow Jesus Christ the Lord, not the traditions of men.
That's a pretty big insult considering I have giving you some in this thread and many more in another thread, ok well I'll leave you to it.
 
That's a pretty big insult considering I have giving you some in this thread and many more in another thread, ok well I'll leave you to it.
It's not intended as an insult. It's merely an observation. Merely quoting verses and claiming that you have thereby proven your point is not adequate. You need to explain how your claim is derived from the quoted texts, since a text can often be interpreted in multiple ways, depending on how much context one is taking into account, and how many assumptions one is injecting into one's interpretation.
 
That is not in scripture anywhere. It just says that from the beginning, God knew people would be conceived and born. It does not teach that God knew from the beginning those who those would be conceived and born.
Jeremiah 1:5?
 
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It's not intended as an insult. It's merely an observation. Merely quoting verses and claiming that you have thereby proven your point is not adequate. You need to explain how your claim is derived from the quoted texts, since a text can often be interpreted in multiple ways, depending on how much context one is taking into account, and how many assumptions one is injecting into one's interpretation.
explained in a previous thread,