If a Sabbath is forced, Will you keep Sunday holy?

[bud62]

That the will of the Lord be done like it says in verse 14 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts 21&version=KJV

Amen and may GOD guide us in the right paths, and knowledge in HIS word

 

[bud62]

Well what are you going to say about when by the spirit, GOD warn him not to Go
And if that was so why did they haft to come together so they would know. no they came together to make A decision, so that wouldn't make since that they already know.

I do not know much about the vale that if it was in the law of Moses or not, if it wasn't in the laws Moses I very well could be wrong

 

[tourist]

Graven just means carved or formed.
The idea is that the ten commandments don't allow for even making one,
Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
Deuteronomy 5:8 KJV
So the hypocrisy of those who are so ardent about going to church on the seventh day of the week, which there is no command to do, the command is to do no work,
"But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou. And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the Lord thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the Lord thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. "
Deuteronomy 5:14‭-‬15 KJV

but you are indeed correct we keep these laws in spirit, so we have images but we don't worship them, we rest in Christ by bringing our burdens in to him prayer and in worship, and in faith. Our Egypt was the flesh and sin, and death.

Is there any command in the bible about going to church on Sunday? Based on this verse provided, where exactly is the hypocrisy about those who chose to worship on the Sabbath?

Romana 14:5
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

 

[Blik]

You are deceived. Satan believes in the existence of Christ, but Satan has not placed faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. We are not saved by faith and works and neither was Abraham. (Romans 4:2-6) Also, Abraham was before the law of Moses. All you talk about is keeping God’s commandments for salvation, yet nobody has perfectly obeyed God’s commandments except for Jesus Christ. You need to come down off your high horse and believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16; 10:1-4)

You keep falsely accusing of "keeping works for salvation", using this as an excuse to speak against works after salvation. Your accusations are speaking false against your neighbor, disobeying the way God has appointed our world to work best.

 

[Blik]

yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). Simple!

Hurray, Hallelujah. Thank you. "yet the faith that justifies does not remain alone (unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). Simple! "

 

[crossnote]

Sunday=Sabbath? That's a new one on me.
Forced? Naww, I have a built in resistor of those who 'force' anything.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

Is there any command in the bible about going to church on Sunday? Based on this verse provided, where exactly is the hypocrisy about those who chose to worship on the Sabbath?

Romana 14:5
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

No there is no day specific. Go on what day suits you.

My point is not about those who choose to but those who choose to impose it on everyone else via insisting that is what God commands, and that those who choose other wise are in violation of God.

 

[FelicityAnn]

I would definitely keep the Sabbath and I would make it a Saturday! Go back to the Ancient paths!

 

[UCA4J]

Being sunday isn't supposed to be legalistic, it's just that it's the day name when Jesus rose.

 

[mailmandan]

You keep falsely accusing of "keeping works for salvation", using this as an excuse to speak against works after salvation. Your accusations are speaking false against your neighbor, disobeying the way God has appointed our world to work best.

We are not saved by works for or after salvation. From beginning "have been" saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. I have made no false accusations and I do not speak against works when put in their proper place. Saved by grace through faith, not works, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

*We are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works.*

Faith Is to OBEY. Not just the Sabbath, But ALL of GOD's Commandments And HIS HOLY WORD...

If faith "is" to obey, then this means faith "is" obedience/works and in that case, salvation would be by works according to his logic. So no false accusation from me.

This is not SO, if that was true Satan has far more faith then we DO, and GOD would haft to save Satan to. It is A faith that WORKS that will GET US SAVED,

If faith "is" to obey ALL of God's commandments according to bud62, then how can Satan have far more faith then we do, since he does not obey all of God's commandments? The kind of faith that saves results in producing works, yet we are still saved through faith and not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

All you haft to do to see this is look at Abraham GOD said it Abraham done it. Abraham KEPT GOD'S COMMANDMENTS around 400 years before Moses was Born, And believe they kept them if they wanted to be SAVED

Straight from the horses mouth - "kept God's commandments if they wanted to be saved." Salvation based on keeping God's commandments, which is salvation by works. Romans 4:2-6 negates that theory: For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

You can call it anything you want, BUT THE BIBLE SAYS that it is our duty to keep HIS Commandments, Just like I believe that it is A man's Duty to teach his children up right, And I don't count that as work ether...

bud62 fails to grasp that keeping God's commandments is works. He seems to have a problem identifying what works are and he also defines faith "as" obedience, which is works. What a mess! Believers "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments (1 John 2:3) which does not mean sinless, perfect obedience to the 10 commandments under the law and it also does not mean that we are saved based on the merits of perfectly obeying His commandments.

I previously quoted a statement that includes the 10 commandments as a part of the gospel and resulted in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works from a former member of CC who happens to be SDA and bud62 agreed with that statement. So there have been no false accusations from me against my neighbor. It's obvious for believers to see that bud62 is teaching "works salvation" and he has been called out on it multiple times.

 

[mailmandan]

Do you stone Sabbath breakers? And adulterers?

Sabbath rest has always pointed to resting from our works, to rest in the completed work of Jesus.

Funny how you say, nothing is changed, but then claim certain things have.

If the sabbath day law was still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that today? A lot has changed since then. (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Colossians 2:16-17; Hebrews 8:13)

 

[shittim]

I wonder where bud does his sacrifices? Do the neighbors appreciate when he sacrifices and burns an ox or two?

 

[FelicityAnn]

I wonder where bud does his sacrifices? Do the neighbors appreciate when he sacrifices and burns an ox or two?

That’s not very nice....

 

[shittim]

Nor is insisting we go back under the Law when Christ was very clear the whole of the Law is now to love of our God with all our heart, soul, mind and strength, and love our neighbor as ourselves. This is another deception we are seeing in these last of the last days.

 

[bud62]

I was saying yes to what you ask here, So you think in Acts 15,and 21 they were doing or making decisions in error?
But NO that they had to keep the laws of Moses.
I hope that is what you GOT

without YEAUAH Spirit, we are lost

 

[bud62]

So you think in Acts 15,and 21 they were doing or making decisions in error?

Not really they just came together to make the right decisions, which they Did. GOD bless AS GOD sees GOOD

 

[bud62]

We are not saved by works for or after salvation. From beginning "have been" saved through faith (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. I have made no false accusations and I do not speak against works when put in their proper place. Saved by grace through faith, not works, created in Christ Jesus FOR good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

*We are saved FOR good works and NOT BY good works.*

If faith "is" to obey, then this means faith "is" obedience/works and in that case, salvation would be by works according to his logic. So no false accusation from me.

If faith "is" to obey ALL of God's commandments according to bud62, then how can Satan have far more faith then we do, since he does not obey all of God's commandments? The kind of faith that saves results in producing works, yet we are still saved through faith and not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) In James 2:19, we see that the demons believe "mental assent" that "there is one God," but they do not believe in/have faith in/trust in/reliance in Jesus Christ for salvation. In other words, they do not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 16:31) and are not saved. Their trust and reliance is in Satan, as demonstrated by their rebellion in heaven and continuous evil works.

Straight from the horses mouth - "kept God's commandments if they wanted to be saved." Salvation based on keeping God's commandments, which is salvation by works. Romans 4:2-6 negates that theory: For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it (faith, not works) was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works.

bud62 fails to grasp that keeping God's commandments is works. He seems to have a problem identifying what works are and he also defines faith "as" obedience, which is works. What a mess! Believers "keep" (Greek word "tereo" - guard, observe, watch over) His commandments (1 John 2:3) which does not mean sinless, perfect obedience to the 10 commandments under the law and it also does not mean that we are saved based on the merits of perfectly obeying His commandments.

I previously quoted a statement that includes the 10 commandments as a part of the gospel and resulted in salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works from a former member of CC who happens to be SDA and bud62 agreed with that statement. So there have been no false accusations from me against my neighbor. It's obvious for believers to see that bud62 is teaching "works salvation" and he has been called out on it multiple times.

You just fail to see that after someone saves US from falling off a cliff that is A mile straight down, and we go back and fall off that cliff the next day, don't mean that it won't hurt US the second time, when we fall off of it, THE same with sin, YESUAH cleans us and covers our sins, and after HE does we sin again, that blood dose not cover that new sin and it is out in the open, and not under the BLOOD, So we do HAFT to GO back and get the blood over that sin to, Just like they had to in the old testament, every time they sinned, the same with US, THAT IS THE REASON we have the SCHOOLMASTER, so we can go back and see HOW our GRATE HIGH PREIST COVERS our sins, THIS is what our SCHOOLMASTER IS FOR, And PRAISE GOD THAT YESUAH has showed me this. And THIS SCRIPTURE makes it that A child could understand that we haft to go back and get the NEW SINS COVERED
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

 

[bud62]

Is there any command in the bible about going to church on Sunday? Based on this verse provided, where exactly is the hypocrisy about those who chose to worship on the Sabbath?

Romana 14:5
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.

That is NOT talking About the Sabbath that is in the commandments wrote with GOD'S finger.
That is talking About the sacrificial laws that was in the hand writings of Moses, As that SCRIPTURE that you got that from tells us, these are a different set of laws, that only lasted till JESUS went to the Cross and was nailed nto the Cross
COL 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Galations 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

 

[gb9]

That is NOT talking About the Sabbath that is in the commandments wrote with GOD'S finger.
That is talking About the sacrificial laws that was in the hand writings of Moses, As that SCRIPTURE that you got that from tells us, these are a different set of laws, that only lasted till JESUS went to the Cross and was nailed nto the Cross
COL 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
2:15 [And] having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:
2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Galations 3:19 Wherefore then [serveth] the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; [and it was] ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

wrote with God's finger on Sinai to Moses for the nation of Israel.

Israel only. was never a command for the whole world.

 

[mailmandan]

You just fail to see that after someone saves US from falling off a cliff that is A mile straight down, and we go back and fall off that cliff the next day, don't mean that it won't hurt US the second time, when we fall off of it, THE same with sin, YESUAH cleans us and covers our sins, and after HE does we sin again, that blood dose not cover that new sin and it is out in the open, and not under the BLOOD, So we do HAFT to GO back and get the blood over that sin to, Just like they had to in the old testament, every time they sinned, the same with US, THAT IS THE REASON we have the SCHOOLMASTER, so we can go back and see HOW our GRATE HIGH PREIST COVERS our sins, THIS is what our SCHOOLMASTER IS FOR, And PRAISE GOD THAT YESUAH has showed me this. And THIS SCRIPTURE makes it that A child could understand that we haft to go back and get the NEW SINS COVERED
2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

What you fail to see is that Christ’s finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28)

In regards to 2 Peter 2:20, those who are born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than merely cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.*

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome.

*Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these men because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment.