I am the only person on Earth that believes Genesis 2:17

[Gideon300]

Excellent. We have good reference point here.

To summarize your view:

• Day = Literal
• Surely Die = Not Literal (i.e. Spiritual Death)

This is a commonly accepted view.

For others reading, do you agree?



I am curious as to why you say it was obvious that it was not physical. In other words, what is wrong with Adam and his Wife dying physically, in less than twenty-four hours?

Because that would have been the end of the human race. Adam lived for a thousand years. God said he would die the day that he disobeyed. You can see the effects of death. Adam and Eve immediately tried to hide from God. They immediately tried to shift the blame. God did not forsake them, they turned away from God. That is spiritual death.

 

[Gideon300]

See Post #6.

Do you agree that Adam and his Wife died on that very day?

Absolutely not - physically.

 

[ewq1938]

See Post #6.

Do you agree that Adam and his Wife died on that very day?

Of course not. Adam lived over 900 years physically and had children with his wife. He never experiences a bodily resurrection either. He died spiritually that day. And, if he never repented of that sin, he would be spiritually dead still and in Hades.

 

[Gideon300]

As far as I know, I appear to be the only Human Being on the planet that believes the following verse in its most literal sense...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Everyone else changes the words around to make it say something else entirely. This is a no-no of course.

One of the reasons I signed up here is to see if there actually exists another person that believes the aforementioned verse.

Are you out there? Or am I the only one that simply believes what is says?

Look at it this way. According to God's we are crucified with Christ. That is ridiculous if you mean physical and literal. How can we go back 2,000 years to be crucified with Christ? The part of Adam that died was his spirit. The part that God makes alive is our dead spirit. That's what it means to be born again. Nicodemus had the same intellectual problem. He thought born again was meant literally.

You are the only person who takes the verse literally because you are the only person who lacks insight into what it means.

 

[Yokefellow]

May I ask how you understand the following verse, given that it is another tree that grants eternal life.

Genesis 3:22
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, knowing good and evil; and now, he might reach out with his hand, and take fruit also from the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”

Hi @Inquisitor

I will first begin with a quick summary of what I believe the two trees of the Garden of Eden represent.

First, they represent two Mothers.
More specifically, they represent their Ovary.

It goes like this...

• Earth = Mystery Babylon, Mother of the Human Race
• Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = Mystery Babylon's Ovary
• Forbidden Fruit = Mystery Babylon's fertilized Ovum (Zygote)
• Zygote was fertilized by the Seed of the Serpent (Satan)

• New Earth = Sarah, Mother of those Born Again in the Glorified Body
• New Jerusalem = Sarah's Womb
• Tree of Life = Sarah's Ovary
• The Tree of Life is fertilized by the Waters proceeding out of the Throne

Those that partake of the Fruit of the Tree of Life are Born Again... conceived... literally, into new bodies.

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

The Marriage Supper is conception. No babies can be made unless there is a marriage. The saved rest in Abraham's Bosom until the Marriage can take place.

The Marriage Supper is about God the Father (represented by Abraham's Bosom) marrying New Jerusalem (represented by Sarah).

The Blood of the Lamb represents Abraham's Seed. God's 'loins' so to speak. This is why they are merged on the Throne.

The Throne Room is Abraham's Bosom... Paradise.

 

[Gideon300]

Hi @Inquisitor

I will first begin with a quick summary of what I believe the two trees of the Garden of Eden represent.

First, they represent two Mothers.
More specifically, they represent their Ovary.

It goes like this...

• Earth = Mystery Babylon, Mother of the Human Race
• Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil = Mystery Babylon's Ovary
• Forbidden Fruit = Mystery Babylon's fertilized Ovum (Zygote)
• Zygote was fertilized by the Seed of the Serpent (Satan)

• New Earth = Sarah, Mother of those Born Again in the Glorified Body
• New Jerusalem = Sarah's Womb
• Tree of Life = Sarah's Ovary
• The Tree of Life is fertilized by the Waters proceeding out of the Throne

Those that partake of the Fruit of the Tree of Life are Born Again... conceived... literally, into new bodies.

Galatians 4:26
"But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all."

The Marriage Supper is conception. No babies can be made unless there is a marriage. The saved rest in Abraham's Bosom until the Marriage can take place.

The Marriage Supper is about God the Father (represented by Abraham's Bosom) marrying New Jerusalem (represented by Sarah).

The Blood of the Lamb represents Abraham's Seed. God's 'loins' so to speak. This is why they are merged on the Throne.

The Throne Room is Abraham's Bosom... Paradise.

That's purely your own interpretation, not justified by scripture.

 

[Yokefellow]

Look at it this way. According to God's we are crucified with Christ. That is ridiculous if you mean physical and literal.

You are getting into the Baptism of Fire. This occurred before you were born. Jesus was there preaching to you...

1 Peter 3:19
"By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison"

The Baptism of Fire is the Golden Cup that Mystery Babylon holds. Jesus did not want to partake...

Matthew 26:39
"And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt."

The Golden Cup is the Cup of Gethsemane. It is the Forbidden Fruit. Not forbidden for Jesus of course. He drank that to save you from going to the Lake of Fire. He took your place. That is what 'Crucified with Him' means. Jesus 'tasted of death'... in other words, tasted of the Second Death for your sake.

John and James had no idea what they were asking...

Matthew 20:23
"And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."

You became a Living Sacrifice...

Romans 12:1
"I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service."

Jonah was reminded of this...

Jonah 2:2
"And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice."

This is literal...

Jonah 2:6
"I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God."

It is an allegory of how Jonah was pre-ordained. Jonah had forgotten his role.

The part of Adam that died was his spirit.

Spirit never dies. It goes back to God who gave it...

Ecclesiastes 12:7
"Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it."

A Soul can be destroyed however...

Matthew 10:28
"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

you are the only person who lacks insight into what it means.

Why do so many have to end their posts with an insult instead of simply allowing the other person to respond?

Oh well. Be sure and take screenshots of all of this. Satan does NOT want folks to know about the Good News.

 

[Yokefellow]

That's purely your own interpretation, not justified by scripture.

Prove it.

I have posted many verses backing up my claims. You have provided none. All you have provided is just a smarmy arrogant response. Typical.

 

[Nehemiah6]

As far as I know, I appear to be the only Human Being on the planet that believes the following verse in its most literal sense... Genesis 2:17 "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

All Bible-believing Christians take that verse literally and also rightly divide the Word of Truth. Since Adam and Eve did not drop dead the day they ate of the forbidden fruit, it should be obvious that the term "death" used here encompassed both the first and second deaths. So they died spiritually while remaining alive physically.

 

[Adstar]

As far as I know, I appear to be the only Human Being on the planet that believes the following verse in its most literal sense...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Everyone else changes the words around to make it say something else entirely. This is a no-no of course.

One of the reasons I signed up here is to see if there actually exists another person that believes the aforementioned verse.

Are you out there? Or am I the only one that simply believes what is says?

So you never gave an interpretation of the Verse?? That's how to kick off a discussion on the topic..

Tow people can read the same verse and say ""Yep i believe that"", but have two different interpretations..

 

[Inquisitor]

As far as I know, I appear to be the only Human Being on the planet that believes the following verse in its most literal sense...

Genesis 2:17
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Everyone else changes the words around to make it say something else entirely. This is a no-no of course.

One of the reasons I signed up here is to see if there actually exists another person that believes the aforementioned verse.

Are you out there? Or am I the only one that simply believes what is says?

In a later post, you interpretated the two trees as symbolic. Yet in your OP, your reading the text (Genesis 2:17) in a literal sense?

 

[Jocund]

In Hebrew Adam means: of the ground, reddish earth.

If I remember correctly, you are thinking of the word "Adama". Adam means mankind.

 

[PennEd]

As far as I know, I appear to be the only Human Being on the planet that believes the following verse in its most literal sense...

You know you are heading into DEEP waters when someone claims to be the ONLY person on Earth that has some kind of special knowledge, or understanding.

This has led this gentlemen to all sorts of bizarre private interpretations, allegories, and speculations, like Adam & Eve were created without reproductive organs, and God's command to be fruitful and multiply only applies to animals pre fall, and the Tree in Rev has a period like a woman.

Sir, I would counsel you to examine that you may be wrong on many things, and perhaps lessen your focus on this stuff, and more on Jesus.

 

[Melach]

I am curious as to why you say it was obvious that it was not physical. In other words, what is wrong with Adam and his Wife dying physically, in less than twenty-four hours?

what is wrong with it, is that the bible teaches adam lived a looong time.

 

[hornetguy]

See Post #6.

Do you agree that Adam and his Wife died on that very day?

No, I do not, because I believe the rest of the Word...
I suppose it's possible, and God brought them back from the dead, and didn't tell us about it.... but.... really?
No, I think the instructions given to them were literal in the sense that eating of it did, indeed bring about their death, and they started dying on that day... their clock started winding down on that day.

We are all dying... it's a process. Had they not eaten of the fruit, they would not ever have started that process.

 

[Evmur]

Excellent. We have good reference point here.

To summarize your view:

• Day = Literal
• Surely Die = Not Literal (i.e. Spiritual Death)

This is a commonly accepted view.

For others reading, do you agree?



I am curious as to why you say it was obvious that it was not physical. In other words, what is wrong with Adam and his Wife dying physically, in less than twenty-four hours?

Cain Abel Seth plus other children ... anyway the scripture gives Adams age when he died [physically]

 

[hornetguy]

Judging from the responses I've read so far, in answer to your original question....

YES, you ARE the only person that thinks that way...

Which begs the question.... do you really, truly believe that, or are you simply trying to twist a scripture to create a scene? (those kinds of folks are usually called trolls, and are pretty easy to spot)

 

[Evmur]

i

Cain Abel Seth plus other children ... anyway the scripture gives Adams age when he died [physically]

if Adam died at age 930 then a day is a 1, 000 years

 

[Magenta]

You should stop plagiarizing other peoples work.

https://www.ministrymagazine.org/archive/2011/12/dying-you-shall-die

You should stop falsely accusing people.

 

[Dino246]

In a later post, you interpretated the two trees as symbolic. Yet in your OP, your reading the text (Genesis 2:17) in a literal sense?

Shhh... if you expose his inconsistency, he might be forced to reconsider his position.