How do angels jibe with the Holy Spirit?

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I have difficulty jibing the role of angels with the role of the Holy Spirit, so I would like to explore that question
starting from Hebrews 1:14, "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?"

Does this teaching not conflict with the ministry of the Holy Spirit described in the Gospel of John as our advocate (14:16-17),
the testifier about Jesus (15:26) and guide (16:12-15)?

to answer your thread more clearly. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of the living God which means he is GOD Gen 1:2, 2cor 3:3 Heb 9:14

all speak to the Holy Spirit as God. That should be enough to speak on the great contrast between angels (created being ) and The Spirit of God who was present at creation and seen as GOD in scripture.

The Gospel of John chapter 14 , 15, and 16 are all in context to the work of the Holy Spirit in the believer known as the Comforter or in the Greek the "Parakletos" "one who comes along side. "

what conflict could there possibly be? God has many titles based on HIS Divine Nature. The Holy Spirit also has attributes that are distinct to the Nature of GOD.

God and and HIS Spirit are all Knowing Rom 8:27 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
God is all Present therefore so is the Holy Spirit.
Nothing in John 14 -16 chapters have any conflict. They describe the work of the holy Spirit when Jesus is taken up.


Thanks. I see the first part of your reply clarified that angels are NOT God (Gen. 1:2, 2Cor. 3:3 Heb. 9:14),
so references to the angel of God in the OT are NOT to God?

Another question was "If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?

The rest of your reply contains more about the HS but nothing about angels.
Do you want to say more about how they jibe with the HS?
 
Don't believe that the bible mentions anything specific about being celibate. It does state that we will be like the angels. The question is - what are the attributes of angels - what are they like?
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See Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:34-36, which indicate that in the resurrected state
marriage and procreation will not occur, similar to angels.
(Sorry to disappoint you; want to be Muslim? :^)
 
Thanks. I see the first part of your reply clarified that angels are NOT God (Gen. 1:2, 2Cor. 3:3 Heb. 9:14),
so references to the angel of God in the OT are NOT to God?

Another question was "If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?

The rest of your reply contains more about the HS but nothing about angels.
Do you want to say more about how they jibe with the HS?


no. the term ministering means "servant." spirit is a created being or one without flesh. That in no way diminishes the Holy Spirit. Because "s" spirit is no the same as "S" Holy Spirit. angels are spirit being that were created servants. The HS is GOD. pretty simple
 
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no. the term ministering means "servant." spirit is a created being or one without flesh. That in no one diminishes the Holy Spirit. Because "s" spirit is no the same as "S" Holy Spirit. angels are spirit being that were created servants. The HS is GOD. pretty simple

Thanks, but my question was not about whether the HS was God. Here are some questions I have:

1. Are OT references to the angel of God NOT to God?

2. If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?

3. Do angels jibe with the HS? Do they have a salvation history? Did Christ atone for their sins?
Are the good angels filled with the HS?

4. Etc.
 
See Matthew 22:30, Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:34-36, which indicate that in the resurrected state
marriage and procreation will not occur, similar to angels.
(Sorry to disappoint you; want to be Muslim? :^)
Seems like there were angels that did procreate with humans.

Marriage is a contract between God, and consenting man and woman that is enforceable until death of one or the other. Since there will be no death in heaven there can be no marriage. That is not the same as saying there will be no physical intimate relationships between men and women.

It states in the bible that houses will be built and gardens planted. Why go to all of that bother in the absence of a meaningful relationship? What exactly would be the point?
 
Thanks, but my question was not about whether the HS was God. Here are some questions I have:

1. Are OT references to the angel of God NOT to God?

2. If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?

3. Do angels jibe with the HS? Do they have a salvation history? Did Christ atone for their sins?
Are the good angels filled with the HS?

4. Etc.
I think the best answer you can give the discerned person on your atheist website is.

God created angels for one purpose 🙂
 
1. Are OT references to the angel of God NOT to God?

2. If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?

3. Do angels jibe with the HS? Do they have a salvation history? Did Christ atone for their sins?
Are the good angels filled with the HS?

4. Etc.

1. The OT calls Jesus an Angel in the OT a few times.

2. No because they have different jobs, S[iritual/Physical.

3. I dunno.
 
I got to meet an Angel one time. He didnt let me know he was an Angel and he looked like a man until after he left. Here's what happened.
This is, in my mind the biggest miracle that God has ever done for me. He sent an Angel to my garage sale and he over paid me to help me.

This is when I was still living in Colorado Springs CO, and I had a 4 BR house for 1000 a month. I've been self employed as a Mechanical Contractor (HVAC) since 1994. Back in the mid 90's I was doing great but the economy has been doing the big slide downhill and I found myself with less and less work, until I was 2 months behind in rent, plus, I had a utility shut off notice for Monday, for 300 dollars. This was Saturday. I had a 1-1/2 car detached garage and so was trying to make extra money by selling off all the household goods that a single man don't really care about having. But when my Wife left after 26 years...she took the gold & cash and good SUV and left. So I built two 4 X 8 tables out of plywood and set up in the garage for a garage sale. I had been doing this for a few weeks and on sunny weekends, I'd throw an ad on Craigslist and sit in the driveway on a couch, to sell the junk off, ya' know? Now you know how garage sales are...they don't pay the rent, lol. But it kept me fed sorta and in cigarettes, lol. Every little bit helps.

I lived in that house for several years and since I was self employed work was either feast or famine season. So I might be like $200 short on rent this month and catch it up after a bit. After a cold winter! But the economy continued to slide so I was falling behind to much. It got up to $2000 that I was behind. So sell off old stuff in a garage sale and maybe that will help.
One Saturday I'm out doing the garage sale thing, and my landlord pulls up. He had my walking papers. He said Ed, I like you but I have bills too so I have to get someone in here that can pay consistently. I had been behind before some here and there, but then catch it up when a nice job comes in. I guess 2 grand was his limit. He gave me my 3 day notice and said goodbye and left. I sunk back down into the couch very discouraged. I prayed to the Lord for some help. After praying it was about dusk so I went ahead and closed it up and went back into the house. As soon as I went downstairs to my family room where my computer is and sat down, the phone rang. A man said he seen my ad on CL but could he come by after he got off work in about an hour and a half to look at my garage sale? I of course said yes. And He showed up exactly on time.

We walked out to the garage and I opened it up, and as soon as I stepped inside, He said to me, How much do you need? Now I went (tilt) because that's an odd question, so I ignored it and went into salesman mode and began telling Him about the stuff. I walked to a table, picked something up and talked about it...He didn't even look at it. He said again, how much do you need? (Tilt!). I began talking about other things and didn't answer His question. (What do you say to something like that?!). I was expectig Him to begin looking at my merchandise, but He didn't seem really all that interested. I forget what I picked up but I did and said blah blah blah, and handed it to him for him to check it out, and he took it and gave it a quick sideways glance and set it down and said, how much do you need?

And I still wasn't putting two and two together! So I ignored the question and began talking about other stuff. I handed him a couple different things but he set them back down so fast that I didn't think he was interested in the type of stuff that I had. He said again, how much do you need? (Tilt). I looked at him...and didn't get it! So he says, well how about 1900 for everything on that table over there? ...(Tilt!)

Now that is not how a garage sale goes. They just don't. So I couldn't answer Him. My head was spinning at this point. I looked down at the floor...then He says, well how about 2400 then? (Now I knew This was a joke, and I did want to hear the punch line, so I looked at Him and said, sure, sounds fine.
and the punch line was...he pulled out a stack of 100 dollar bills big enough to choke a horse and counted me out 24 of them! Now I began thinking that maybe He was some kind of dealer, a flea market guy wanting to stock up or something? (I hadn't yet remembered that I had payed for help!). But He paid me, so I asked if He would like some help loading it up into his pickup. He said, yes thank you. So I got some cardboard boxes and we bagan boxing stuff up. Then He reaches over and takes somethng out of the box that I had just put into it, and says, oh you can keep that I wont need it..that too, this too...(Tilt!) He wound up leaving about 25% of the stuff on the table that He had just paid me for! Not just the cheapest junkiest stuff, just random stuff. Some of it nice, my Wife loved to spend money.

I took a real close look at him to see if he was the type with more cash than brains...or what? He was well groomed, fit, well spoken, and drove a nicer pickup truck. Nope, He wasn't that type. My head was spinning. We finished loding up, shook hands, he smiled real big, and then drove off...I closed up the garage and went back into the house and as I was going back down the basement stairs and was feeling the wad of cash in my pocket...I said, Praise the Lord!...and then it hit me...that was an Angel come to answer my prayer!

Then I thought about my bills...2400...2 grand for the back rent...300 for the utilities, and a hundred bucks extra for groceries! Bam! Within 2 hours of praying for help. Then it all made very perfect sense to me. I needed help and prayed, He came, why He kept asking me how much I needed, all of it. There is no other answer to explain what happened. Garage salers do not come talk the price up! They talk it down, right? Right. I sat down and lost it...I cried and thanked the Lord and thanked the Lord and praised Him...!!!

Then I felt stupid for not realizing it was an Angel come to help when He was here! Entertaining Angels unawares...the Grace of the Lord...you have not because ye ask not...I knew all that! Why couldn't I see it when He was there?! I had so many questions I could have asked Him, lol! That was absolutely awesome. Praise the Lord!
 
I have difficulty jibing the role of angels with the role of the Holy Spirit, so I would like to explore that question
starting from Hebrews 1:14, "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?"

Does this teaching not conflict with the ministry of the Holy Spirit described in the Gospel of John as our advocate (14:16-17),
the testifier about Jesus (15:26) and guide (16:12-15)?


How is there any way to draw a conclusion from what you have presented that there is some sort of contradiction?
 
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Seems like there were angels that did procreate with humans.

Marriage is a contract between God, and consenting man and woman that is enforceable until death of one or the other. Since there will be no death in heaven there can be no marriage. That is not the same as saying there will be no physical intimate relationships between men and women.

It states in the bible that houses will be built and gardens planted. Why go to all of that bother in the absence of a meaningful relationship? What exactly would be the point?

Yes, Gen. 6:1-4 is a problematic part of this issue, apparently contradicting Matt. 22:30, Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:34-36.

Since Jesus and Paul taught that sex was only holy within marriage (Matt. 19:4-6, 1Cor. 6:16-18),
saying there will be sex in heaven is also problematic.

Meaningful relationships can be platonic--and should be even on earth before marriage (1Cor. 7:8-9).
 
How is there any way to draw a conclusion from what you have presented that there is some sort of contradiction?

What I have presented are these questions:

1. Are OT references to the angel of God NOT to God?
2. If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?
3. Do angels jibe with the HS? Do they have a salvation history? Did Christ atone for their sins?
Are the good angels filled with the HS?
4. Etc.

I would be interested in hearing your answers.
 
What I have presented are these questions:

1. Are OT references to the angel of God NOT to God?
2. If angels are ministering spirits, does this not conflict with the ministry/work of the Holy Spirit?
3. Do angels jibe with the HS? Do they have a salvation history? Did Christ atone for their sins?
Are the good angels filled with the HS?
4. Etc.

I would be interested in hearing your answers.
perhaps you are asking to much friend
 
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Yes, Gen. 6:1-4 is a problematic part of this issue, apparently contradicting Matt. 22:30, Mark 12:25 and Luke 20:34-36.
There is no contradiction in the scriptures.
Meaningful relationships can be platonic--and should be even on earth before marriage (1Cor. 7:8-9).
This passage does not mean what you say it does. It says nothing about platonic relationships.
 
perhaps you are asking to much friend

Perhaps, although A&E should have asked God about what Satan said instead of believing it.
It is okay to wonder about problematic passages as long as we do not demand answers before dying.
In the meantime, we should interpret/harmonize problematic OT passages in light of the NT if possible.
When the NT is silent, we might be able to infer possible answers using right reasoning.

For example, we can infer that the angels had MFW, because some of them chose to do what warranted hell.
We can also infer that the angels in heaven accept Jesus as Messiah and cooperate with the HS. Thus, they
DO have a history of salvation that is somewhat different from that of humanity.

Regarding my other questions:

1. OT references to the "angel of God" might mean an actual angel.
2. The ministry of angels before Pentecost might be comparable to the ministry of John the Baptist before Jesus' baptism.
3. Thus, angels jibe with the HS (not sure about Revelation yet :^)
 
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Perhaps, although A&E should have asked God about what Satan said instead of believing it.
It is okay to wonder about problematic passages as long as we do not demand answers before dying.
In the meantime, we should interpret/harmonize problematic OT passages in light of the NT if possible.
When the NT is silent, we might be able to infer possible answers using right reasoning.

For example, we can infer that the angels had MFW, because some of them chose to do what warranted hell.
We can also infer that the angels in heaven accept Jesus as Messiah and cooperate with the HS. Thus, they
DO have a history of salvation that is somewhat different from that of humanity.

Regarding my other questions:

1. OT references to the "angel of God" might mean an actual angel.
2. The ministry of angels before Pentecost might be comparable to the ministry of John the Baptist before Jesus' baptism.
3. Thus, angels jibe with the HS (not sure about Revelation yet :^)
it was a joke relating to all the many other questions you ask lol 😂

I understand you get a lot of questions tho
 
it was a joke relating to all the many other questions you ask lol 😂

I understand you get a lot of questions tho

Oh, yes, and I run across folks who seem fearful of finding problematic passages and asking questions,
so I was focused on getting them to realize it is okay--even good for spiritual growth.

I also run across those who think there are no good answers to various questions,
but one can only say that after having searched the Scriptures thoroughly.
 
Oh, yes, and I run across folks who seem fearful of finding problematic passages and asking questions,
so I was focused on getting them to realize it is okay--even good for spiritual growth.

I also run across those who think there are no good answers to various questions,
but one can only say that after having searched the Scriptures thoroughly.
so are you asking all these questions for yourself or somebody else ?
 
Perhaps, although A&E should have asked God about what Satan said instead of believing it.
It is okay to wonder about problematic passages as long as we do not demand answers before dying.
In the meantime, we should interpret/harmonize problematic OT passages in light of the NT if possible.
When the NT is silent, we might be able to infer possible answers using right reasoning.

For example, we can infer that the angels had MFW, because some of them chose to do what warranted hell.
We can also infer that the angels in heaven accept Jesus as Messiah and cooperate with the HS. Thus, they
DO have a history of salvation that is somewhat different from that of humanity.

Regarding my other questions:

1. OT references to the "angel of God" might mean an actual angel.
2. The ministry of angels before Pentecost might be comparable to the ministry of John the Baptist before Jesus' baptism.
3. Thus, angels jibe with the HS (not sure about Revelation yet :^)

This first question here

Perhaps, although A&E should have asked God about what Satan said instead of believing it.
It is okay to wonder about problematic passages as long as we do not demand answers before dying.

Is this a question from a person struggling to believe, or is it your own question
 
This first question here

Perhaps, although A&E should have asked God about what Satan said instead of believing it.
It is okay to wonder about problematic passages as long as we do not demand answers before dying.

Is this a question from a person struggling to believe, or is it your own question

My point is that having/asking questions does NOT indicate unbelief,
but rather not asking GOD questions does that, which A&E exemplified.