Hell's Population Clock

[Petercito]

That interesting even the Son of man Jesus informs us his flesh profits for nothing, zero …. it was dying the first death just any other corrupted flesh .



Right from the beginning, God in respect to his faith as to the glory departed...in the twinkling of the eye corruption of mankind began.....body, spirit and soul.

Natural man not born of the Spirit of Christ will not rise on the last day and receive a new incorruptible body. There will then be no eternal punishment presently or in the future. The wrath of God. The first death is being revealed .Turn on the news.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

In Hebrew the word for spirit is Ruach in Greek it is Pneuma. Both mean Spirit, Breath or wind. The literal meaning is Breath. All life contains Gods Spirit or Breath. So that is what returns to God. His Breath or Spirit, we do not possess a Spirit of our own. People are a physical body given life through Gods Spirit. Animals were created exactly the same as people by God in the Genesis account of creation.
When you die you go to the grave and rest there until the resurrection. The bible is consistent from beginning to end in regards to that matter.

 

[Petercito]

it's very clear in the scriptures that 'sins of ignorance' are of a 'much less violation of God's Law -
it's very clear that 'defiant-sins' are a very different story -
let's just think how much easier it is to 'forgive' someone who wrongs us mistakenly -
the standard 'doctrine' of 'many being cast into the 'lake of fire' because they didn't accept Jesus,
or may have had a point of certain doctrines 'wrong', it doesn't 'add-up' -
is God going to 'punish' those that were born with a defective mind? or those who have been born
into 'witch-craft-satanic worship', through no fault of their own?
as it is written:
'I speak to them in parables so that they will not understand, lest they should be converted' -
also the TERM, 'eternal-punishment' can simply mean, in some scriptures, 'permanent death' -
so to reach a conclusion of condemnation for the 'rest of the dead', as to their FATE,
is bending the scriptures to fit 'one of many false doctrines'...

People really don’t understand God or their bibles when they say if you don’t accept Jesus you’re going to Hell. That is ridiculous isn’t it? God will destroy all wicked people at judgement. Children, the mentally disabled, people who have never had the chance to accept Christ and many others can be saved because it is God who has the authority to save whom ever He wants. The bible says there is no sin where there is no law.
God will destroy permanently the wicked and proud people of this world, who want nothing to do with God Himself or goodness.
The bible is not written to unbelievers, it is written to believers. So we are the people who have to be careful and humble ourselves before God and do what He has instructed us. Christians who go around saying you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour are idiotic ignorant stupid twits who are bringing judgement on themselves.

 

[UnderGrace]

Christians who go around saying you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour are idiotic ignorant stupid twits who are bringing judgement on themselves.

What does this mean?

 

[UnderGrace]

People really don’t understand God or their bibles when they say if you don’t accept Jesus you’re going to Hell. That is ridiculous isn’t it? God will destroy all wicked people at judgement. Children, the mentally disabled, people who have never had the chance to accept Christ and many others can be saved because it is God who has the authority to save whom ever He wants. The bible says there is no sin where there is no law.
God will destroy permanently the wicked and proud people of this world, who want nothing to do with God Himself or goodness.
The bible is not written to unbelievers, it is written to believers. So we are the people who have to be careful and humble ourselves before God and do what He has instructed us. Christians who go around saying you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour are idiotic ignorant stupid twits who are bringing judgement on themselves.

Do you believe in annihilation of non-believers?

 

[Petercito]

Do you believe in annihilation of non-believers?[/QUOTE

Short answer, No! Only those who reject God will be destroyed. The proud and the wicked. Understand that truly wick people are not interested in goodness and being like God. They want to hurt people and do anything that brings them pleasure, which includes people like child rapists, serial killers, people who teach the ways of God and are involved in fornication, adultery, viewing pornography etc.

Romans 4v15 because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.

Romans 5v13 to be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law.

 

[UnderGrace]

We are all wicked...only Jesus is perfect.

 

[Petercito]

How can God send people that were living in the past to permanent annihilation, if they had never heard of Him or learned His ways? The indigenous of Australia or South or North America etc.. Their hearts will be their judge, God is a just Judge. Jesus has been given the authority to judge and He forgave the thief on the cross and passed judgement there and then, letting him know the thief would be raised to life in the resurrection and inherit the land according to the Promise God made with Abraham.

 

[Petercito]

We are all wicked...only Jesus is perfect.

No, the bible does not say we are all wicked. It says we have all sinned. But again try to understand there is a huge difference between sinning and being wicked.
Evil people love to do evil. People living their lives doing their best and making mistakes are not the same as being wicked.

 

[UnderGrace]

No, the bible does not say we are all wicked. It says we have all sinned. But again try to understand there is a huge difference between sinning and being wicked.
Evil people love to do evil. People living their lives doing their best and making mistakes are not the same as being wicked.

Does scripture make this distinction?

Also what do you mean when you write this, emphasis on the "only" ... I might have an idea but I am not sure.

Christians who go around saying you can only be saved by accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour are idiotic ignorant stupid twits who are bringing judgement on themselves.

 

[Petercito]

Does scripture make this distinction?

Also what do you mean when you write this, emphasis on the "only" ... I might have an idea but I am not sure.

I'm sorry I don't understand your second question, if it is a question?

 

[Petercito]

Does scripture make this distinction?

Also what do you mean when you write this, emphasis on the "only" ... I might have an idea but I am not sure.

Okay I can now see the rest of the post, it was not visible before.
Some people pick out verses such as you must confess the name of Jesus to be saved etc. But those verses are written to a particular audience at a particular point in time. It is not a verse directed at some poor soul living in the middle of the jungle somewhere or someone in the present day who is oblivious to the bible.

 

[UnderGrace]

Okay I can now see the rest of the post, it was not visible before.
Some people pick out verses such as you must confess the name of Jesus to be saved etc. But those verses are written to a particular audience at that point in time. It is not verse directed at some poor soul living in the middle of the jungle somewhere or someone in the present day who is oblivious to the bible.

The words have universal application however they must be understood within the context of "to whom" they are written....Jesus is relevant as Saviour to every single person that has ever lived and ever will live.

I think we disagree

 

[Petercito]

The words have universal application however they must be understood within the context of "to whom" they are written....Jesus is relevant as Saviour to every single person that has ever lived and ever will live.

I think we disagree

Yes I agree Jesus is saviour for every person. But not every person has the opportunity to accept Him as saviour or confess His name do they?
What about people born before Christ, people living in remote areas never ever hearing about the bible or Jesus?
If you believe in the out of context and application of you must confess Jesus or be eternally condemned then I think God would be unjust. That is the whole reason why some people hate God and the bible etc. Because people go around misquoting scripture.

 

[Petercito]

If you have to be saved by confessing Jesus as Lord and Saviour, then good bye to small children, babies, the mentally challenged, those unable to read, the deaf and blind, the mute, those living in remote locations etc...all going to destruction if that were strictly true.

 

[UnderGrace]

Yes I agree Jesus is saviour for every person. But not every person has the opportunity to accept Him as saviour or confess His name do they?
What about people born before Christ, people living in remote areas never ever hearing about the bible or Jesus?
If you believe in the out of context and application of you must confess Jesus or be eternally condemned then I think God would be unjust. That is the whole reason why some people hate God and the bible etc. Because people go around misquoting scripture.

So then would you be more of the belief that there is choice immediately after death to be saved, since certainly there is only one way to eternal life and that is through the narrow gate (Jesus).

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes I agree Jesus is saviour for every person. But not every person has the opportunity to accept Him as saviour or confess His name do they?
What about people born before Christ, people living in remote areas never ever hearing about the bible or Jesus?
If you believe in the out of context and application of you must confess Jesus or be eternally condemned then I think God would be unjust. That is the whole reason why some people hate God and the bible etc. Because people go around misquoting scripture.

 

[Petercito]

So then would you be more of the belief that there is choice immediately after death to be saved, since certainly there is only one way to eternal life and that is through the narrow gate (Jesus).

There is no life after death. We all rest in the graves and wait to be resurrected to life to face judgement. Man is appointed to die once and then face judgement.
No one isin torment now. No one is in heaven now. Our destination as Christians is to inherit the land.

 

[Petercito]

So then would you be more of the belief that there is choice immediately after death to be saved, since certainly there is only one way to eternal life and that is through the narrow gate (Jesus).

Again, Jesus is not talking to you or me. He was talking to the Jews, who did not believe He was The Only Begotten Son of God. He was telling them what they had to do.
Keep things in context. But yes of course as believers the scripture is true for us.

 

[UnderGrace]

There is no life after death. We all rest in the graves and wait to be resurrected to life to face judgement. Man is appointed to die once and then face judgement.
No one isin torment now. No one is in heaven now. Our destination as Christians is to inherit the land.

What is "eternal life" then?

How are we partakers of the life of Christ then....Christ is not in the grave.

Okay I have to ask but are you Seventh Day Adventist?

 

[Ahwatukee]

Yes I agree Jesus is saviour for every person. But not every person has the opportunity to accept Him as saviour or confess His name do they?
What about people born before Christ, people living in remote areas never ever hearing about the bible or Jesus?
If you believe in the out of context and application of you must confess Jesus or be eternally condemned then I think God would be unjust. That is the whole reason why some people hate God and the bible etc. Because people go around misquoting scripture.

Good day Petercito,

The claim that God would be unjust would be false. And the reason is that, there is none righteous, no not one. All fall short of God's righteous standards. No one is entitled to salvation, it is a free gift for those whom God chose. For no one can come to the Son except the Father draws him. This would infer that God does not draw everyone. Therefore, those who don't come to Christ are still guilty of sin and the reward for sin is death.

So, God is not being unjust, for God has mercy upon whom He will have mercy and He hardens whom He hardens.

As Paul stated in His example demonstrating God's sovereign choice:

"One of you will say to me, “Then why does God still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? Shall what is formed say to Him who formed it, “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have the right to make from the same lump of clay one vessel of honor and another for dishonor?

Regarding God's sovereign choice and Pharaoh He says:

"For this very purpose I have raised you up, so that I might show My power in you, and that My name should be declared in all the earth.” So then, He shows mercy to whom He wants, and He hardens whom He wants."