Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[Rolly]

Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

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Hi dear christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because i feal this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confussion, please also let me apolagize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment i would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In todays modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy wispering in there ear, trying to decieve there thoughts as well as so many christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does he ?.

For some reason and im not completely sure why but christians seem to have got it into there head that a christian can be spiritualy oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognise that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being decieved in the bible.

In those times of the old testermnet where people as spiritualy aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a decieving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, i had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritualy aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have recieved the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testerment.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could decieve us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldnt be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again im not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in acient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more gracefull state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decissions theese days on the bases of being killed if they dont. but in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in acient times. I feal strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture im going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts witht them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false miss repersentation of God by a demon. Demons in my oppinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

if the Bible is the inspired word of God, how does it contain error (Lies) ?

 

[1ofthem]

Before anyone answer any of these questions, lets be clear that these are an attempt of a leading toward the conclusion that the book of Job was written by Satan? and anyone that believes otherwise is denying Christ? Yes?

Well, if that is actually the purpose then I'll try to end that right here and now!

@de-emerald

The scripture is the inspired Word of God. Satan didn't write any part of it. If you believe that he did in anyway, then you are listening to the enemy and being deceived.

Job was a righteous man and the devil could not make him DOUBT God.

But if you believe that Satan wrote the book of Job, then the devil is making you doubt.

The Word of God is our sword. Even Jesus used it against the enemy.

You can be assured anytime something is trying to get you to doubt the Word of God it is the enemy. He's trying to take your sword away. And if you believe he had a hand in writing any part of scripture then you are letting him.

Stand on the Word of God, rebuke the enemy, and he'll flee.

 

[Dino246]

i forgot the seventh question which again i ask you all to answer in the name of Jesus.

Are you asking in the name of Jesus? Do you think that doing so lends your question some authority or forces us to answer?

Or are you asking us to answer in the name of Jesus? Would doing so give some value to our answers?

We are told in Scripture to pray in the Name of Jesus. You aren't God, so I don't see the point of tagging that phrase on to your statement.

 

[Magenta]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

I tagged the lot of you to answer some simple questions, which need answering befor we can even
begin to sing from the same hymn book The questions that need to be discussed need to be answered.

I do not sing from hymn books. I will not ask to be excused from this exercise of needing to address your questions or needing to discuss that which you have presented because I do not need your permission to participate as I see fit/am moved to do.

 

[AandW]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade


I tagged the lot of you to answer some simple questions, which need answering befor we can even begin to sing from the same hymn book The questions that need to be discussed need to be answered.

There simple questions that wont take long to answer and theres 7 questions here that need an answer not just one, so unharden your hearts and particapate, and stop jumping to conclusions.

There honest question that deserve an honest answer from all of you. which will open the door to more insight if you will all take your time to answer, this is five times now none of you have answered theese honest questions and jumped to conclusions. You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion. I know some have you have answerd 1 or two question in this pack of seven questions. But im asking all seven to be answered by everyone of you,so please answer them. So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus.

I did answer post #105

You have to click the bottom but I answered all of your questions for the Book of Job.

Here is a copy/paste of your questions and then my answers:
But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?
It's a View of Job, his friends, the issues he was facing, and it involves God within the conversation between all of them.
It's cool that all of them [Job and his friends were in the presence of God as a Whirlwind].

The story is being taught to anyone who reads and understands.

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)
God gave Satan ruler ship over all things around him, but he must live through this Lesson that "God wants [future] readers like us to learn about and apply this knowledge to our own lives.

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?
Back then, before being Covered in the Blood of Christ, Satan could easily entice someone to allow his control over them.

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.
He had a short period of control to directly involve Job's life attached to him, just he could not kill Job.

It's kind of a [ForeShadow] of the Beast having Power. It's Satan being given power for a short period of time.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.
Because the Book of Job gives us a lot of Answers directly from God Himself. He discusses planets, Earth, Creation, Man, Cattle, and dinosaurs and other great beasts, and then He starts asking Job and his friends Can you do this, that, can you do anything like Me?

He really shows His Control, Wisdom, Power even though He allows Satan free roam over anything attached to Job's life.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.
Because, in the Book of Job, for [SEVERAL CHAPTERS], it is GOD TALKING! It's what we want out of the Bible, His Own Words to another human being, just like what we are today. It's Medicine to the Soul!

Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?
Ummmmmmm, this, Book of Job Topic, is one of my favorite Books of the entire Tanakh to discuss!

 

[Absolutely]

have you ever un possessed somebody of a demon and seen the demon leave with your own eyes. ?

Yep
I remember it well.
Thank you Jesus that we have authority over devils and satan.

 

[Absolutely]

I did answer post #105

You have to click the bottom but I answered all of your questions for the Book of Job.

Here is a copy/paste of your questions and then my answers:
But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?
It's a View of Job, his friends, the issues he was facing, and it involves God within the conversation between all of them.
It's cool that all of them [Job and his friends were in the presence of God as a Whirlwind].

The story is being taught to anyone who reads and understands.

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)
God gave Satan ruler ship over all things around him, but he must live through this Lesson that "God wants [future] readers like us to learn about and apply this knowledge to our own lives.

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?
Back then, before being Covered in the Blood of Christ, Satan could easily entice someone to allow his control over them.

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.
He had a short period of control to directly involve Job's life attached to him, just he could not kill Job.

It's kind of a [ForeShadow] of the Beast having Power. It's Satan being given power for a short period of time.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.
Because the Book of Job gives us a lot of Answers directly from God Himself. He discusses planets, Earth, Creation, Man, Cattle, and dinosaurs and other great beasts, and then He starts asking Job and his friends Can you do this, that, can you do anything like Me?

He really shows His Control, Wisdom, Power even though He allows Satan free roam over anything attached to Job's life.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.
Because, in the Book of Job, for [SEVERAL CHAPTERS], it is GOD TALKING! It's what we want out of the Bible, His Own Words to another human being, just like what we are today. It's Medicine to the Soul!

Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?
Ummmmmmm, this, Book of Job Topic, is one of my favorite Books of the entire Tanakh to discuss!

"""It's kind of a [ForeShadow] of the Beast having Power. It's Satan being given power for a short period of time."""

Actually millions of christians die
Directly from the antichrist.

It even says he is given power to overcome the saints ....kill them.

 

[AandW]

"""It's kind of a [ForeShadow] of the Beast having Power. It's Satan being given power for a short period of time."""

Actually millions of christians die
Directly from the antichrist.

It even says he is given power to overcome the saints ....kill them.

It still only represents when God allowed Satan to have power to touch but not kill Job, is equal to God allowing the Power at full max during the Period of Wrath. And even in that, the world is quite big. The antichrist can only deal with people in Europe, in Asia, in Australia, in ONE Continent per time. That is why Paul said [those who REMAIN until the Lord's Coming].

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

@de-emerald slow down a little bit...give me a little time to catch up.

I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, yet. So I don't really know what it is even about so far.

A heretic who disavows the OT. ( Post #41)
Futile conversation. IMO it's best to leave that person to pick their bone directly with God.

 

[Absolutely]

It still only represents when God allowed Satan to have power to touch but not kill Job, is equal to God allowing the Power at full max during the Period of Wrath. And even in that, the world is quite big. The antichrist can only deal with people in Europe, in Asia, in Australia, in ONE Continent per time. That is why Paul said [those who REMAIN until the Lord's Coming].

No
The ac kills people. Millions of them.
Worldwide

 

[AandW]

No
The ac kills people. Millions of them.
Worldwide

It doesn't say that specifically but it can be assumed.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade


I tagged the lot of you to answer some simple questions, which need answering befor we can even begin to sing from the same hymn book The questions that need to be discussed need to be answered.

There simple questions that wont take long to answer and theres 7 questions here that need an answer not just one, so unharden your hearts and particapate, and stop jumping to conclusions.

There honest question that deserve an honest answer from all of you. which will open the door to more insight if you will all take your time to answer, this is five times now none of you have answered theese honest questions and jumped to conclusions. You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion. I know some have you have answerd 1 or two question in this pack of seven questions. But im asking all seven to be answered by everyone of you,so please answer them. So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus.

when you make such outlandish statements of others like this

“So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus”

After inventing these argument threads d tagging people that are obviously not interested in arguing with tou I wouldn’t expect much normal
Interaction

again though if you could respect me and not keep tagging me and inviting me to this , I would appreciate it

 

[Absolutely]

It doesn't say that specifically but it can be assumed.

It says " all take the mark"

And

" power was given him to overcome the saints"

 

[Dino246]

...so unharden your hearts and particapate, and stop jumping to conclusions.

... So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus.

Wow... I didn't see this before, because I don't read your tirades. Now I see the state of your heart... it's dark in there. Dude, it's time to repent and abandon your sin.

 

[Rolly]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade


I tagged the lot of you to answer some simple questions, which need answering befor we can even begin to sing from the same hymn book The questions that need to be discussed need to be answered.

There simple questions that wont take long to answer and theres 7 questions here that need an answer not just one, so unharden your hearts and particapate, and stop jumping to conclusions.

There honest question that deserve an honest answer from all of you. which will open the door to more insight if you will all take your time to answer, this is five times now none of you have answered theese honest questions and jumped to conclusions. You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion. I know some have you have answerd 1 or two question in this pack of seven questions. But im asking all seven to be answered by everyone of you,so please answer them. So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus.

Hey I know I’m new here but who died and made you God? You speak to these people like they owe you something, no one owes you anything brother, especially considering how obtuse and proud you are, you think your big and cleaver because you can point the finger and cast aspersions at will? Humility, kindness, understanding and love go along way, have you ever heard the saying “The sun takes off a mans coat quicker than the wind” maybe if you blew a little less and shinned a little more, your fruits would be visible, and people would be more inclined to engage with you, (You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion.) how so? Are you seriously that pompous you believe this statement to be truth? “You will be denying Jesus ” this is an unqualified judgment! an act brother your not permitted to undertake, this jurisdiction is Gods alone, never mind the you’ve denied Christ 3 times quip, and even if you were justified we are to correct with LOVE, to be like Christ, I apologize if I appear harsh but your being a bully not a Saint.
Ask me your questions I will answer, just don’t make them convoluted be concise.

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade
Im tagging you all again. But obviously this is not directed at all of you.
I told you all 20 post ago that you will all start to condem me plot against me and jump to conclusions rather than answer some honest questions, and thats exactly what you have done.and what some of you do all the time. Jesus had the same problems when speaking to the Jews. And the reason for that was he spoke the truth and they didnt want to accept there father was of the devil, then they called Jesus a heretic and yelled for his blood. Thats probably the reason why some missing interpretation of lies crept into our bible. Oh and only 2 percent of Isreal is christian.

 

[de-emerald]

Wow... I didn't see this before, because I don't read your tirades. Now I see the state of your heart... it's dark in there. Dude, it's time to repent and abandon your sin.

I dont suffer with pride. and i am always willing to accept correctiveness, that is all thankyou

 

[de-emerald]

Hey I know I’m new here but who died and made you God? You speak to these people like they owe you something, no one owes you anything brother, especially considering how obtuse and proud you are, you think your big and cleaver because you can point the finger and cast aspersions at will? Humility, kindness, understanding and love go along way, have you ever heard the saying “The sun takes off a mans coat quicker than the wind” maybe if you blew a little less and shinned a little more, your fruits would be visible, and people would be more inclined to engage with you, (You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion.) how so? Are you seriously that pompous you believe this statement to be truth? “You will be denying Jesus ” this is an unqualified judgment! an act brother your not permitted to undertake, this jurisdiction is Gods alone, never mind the you’ve denied Christ 3 times quip, and even if you were justified we are to correct with LOVE, to be like Christ, I apologize if I appear harsh but your being a bully not a Saint.
Ask me your questions I will answer, just don’t make them convoluted be concise.

Yes another conclusion again your lastest person to avoid answering all seven honest questions.

 

[de-emerald]

No
The ac kills people. Millions of them.
Worldwide

Nope people kill them selfs because they believe the lies of the antichrist.(believing it as come from God)
then the anti christ takes over there mind. Youve got it the other way round. which gives power to Satan, which is what he wants you to believe, that God has enpowered him to be the tempter, thus forcing us to unknowingly worshipping the beast. Thats about it where by we are unknowingly worshiping the beast in his wierd way of his reasoning, he then puts his mark upon us, he forces the wrong belief and our worship by combining Good with evil.

 

[de-emerald]

A heretic who disavows the OT. ( Post #41)
Futile conversation. IMO it's best to leave that person to pick their bone directly with God.

Thats also what The Jews said to Jesus, when Jesus told the Jews there father was of the devil.