Has a lie crept in to our bible Does God allow demons to torment people

[1ofthem]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan, Im saying satans revenge is to combine his own evil with the goodness of Jesus. That is what satan has achieved, satan has combined good with evil. and made a complete joke out of the holy word, its because Jesus defeated him, and satan wants revenge for that. You quote 1 (john 5:19) which tells us Satan is the ruler of this world, but yet you and others fail to recognise and achknoledge there may be deliberate miss repersentations of God from satan in our bible, plus you and many more fail to recognise spiritualy possessed minds in our bible. Why do you all do this ? well Its because hardly any of you have no real knowledge of demons, and there abilities, plus none of you have probably seen one, or one at work with your own eye. Ill tell you why this is, because hardly any of you have probably pieced together the Jigsaw puzzle in our bible on how to train the eyes of the heart or pieced together the missing lauguage of intervention.

I can tell you there has been a jigsaw puzzle created on how to train the eyes of the heart, and it will shock you know that one of those pieces is in the holy quoran. the seperation is devided into the four corners of the world. There is a language of intervention that Got deliberately devided. a lot of it can be spotted on how the french pronounce English and how english pronounce french. Which none of you will know. which is also a launguage devided by satan. which he laughs his head of about, and has many people scoffing without realising it.

I bet none of you will even ask what piece is missing in holy quoran and call me a heritic. why will you all do this ?. Well because the lies of satan in our bbile has hardened your hearts, because the knowledge of training the eyes of the heart and the hiden language of intervention will soften your hearts, Which none of you have. You and others wouldnt believe anything that questions the authority of what you believe in the bible until all of you see with your on eye. Why ? well Doubting thomas is a reality for everyone in many different situations untill you see, on what has been covered up by satan.
In the old testermnet it writes God will devide the lauguage. but im here to tell you that was satan who said that and he did just that, and the lauguage satan devided was the lauguage of intervention and training the eyes of the heart, which i bet none of you know and wouldnt even want to know what the bow is, Why well alot of you will be puffed up with pride after reading this.
The bow is the most important mechinism of the lauguage of intervention. which we all have in our heart and is the key to Gods kingdom, satan doesnt have it never will and wants none of you to have it. hes even lauged at all of you when he seperated the truth of the bow in the four corners of the world and laughs when you read it and you dont spot it.
a lot of that truth is staring you in the face, and written in our bible, but none of you have spotted it.
Why well because the devil loves a good laugh by blinding you with the truth that hes seperated pretty Good, and wiped out all our ancesters who had this knowledge.

The mechinism of the bow key in your heart leads to amazing wisdom. and thus it is Gods wisdom that out smarts the devil, the devils has allready assasinated this thread many times.

there plotting there next attempt of fear mongering right now as i speak and whats the bets i now become a heretic so the truth doesnt get told. and then there will be the conspiricies to come after this and the many plots of who i might be.

@de-emerald why did you tag me in this post.

I never said or even implied any of this that you have written in this post!

 

[1ofthem]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

why wont any of you answers all theese honest questions > why wont you ?

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.


Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?

@de-emerald slow down a little bit...give me a little time to catch up.

I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, yet. So I don't really know what it is even about so far.

 

[AandW]

is that aimed towards me ? are we back to being enmies again ?,, didnt you get proven wrong with that one last time you decided i was the enemy. ?

It is [aimed] at you but it means:

I don't think anything against you.
I think this is what you believe whether I agree to it or not.
I do see it as a place of growth for you and how you envision this portion of God's Word.

I support your views even if I agree or disagree with it.
It's your Views! Like I have my own Views.

But not sure about anything else there added. But I believe you read my words as insulting when they were trying to encourage you.

 

[1ofthem]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

why wont any of you answers all theese honest questions > why wont you ?

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.


Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?

Satan cannot do anymore than God will allow.

So simple answer: Yes, God allowed the enemy to oppress Job.

This doesn't mean that Job was possessed by the enemy, though. He was only oppressed by the enemy.

We still face oppression today. But God will not allow us to be tempted above what we can stand, and will make a way for us to escape.

1 Cor. 10
13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

 

[AandW]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

It's a View of Job, his friends, the issues he was facing, and it involves God within the conversation between all of them.
It's cool that all of them [Job and his friends were in the presence of God as a Whirlwind].

The story is being taught to anyone who reads and understands.

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

God gave Satan ruler ship over all things around him, but he must live through this Lesson that "God wants [future] readers like us to learn about and apply this knowledge to our own lives.

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

Back then, before being Covered in the Blood of Christ, Satan could easily entice someone to allow his control over them.

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

He had a short period of control to directly involve Job's life attached to him, just he could not kill Job.

It's kind of a [ForeShadow] of the Beast having Power. It's Satan being given power for a short period of time.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

Because the Book of Job gives us a lot of Answers directly from God Himself. He discusses planets, Earth, Creation, Man, Cattle, and dinosaurs and other great beasts, and then He starts asking Job and his friends Can you do this, that, can you do anything like Me?

He really shows His Control, Wisdom, Power even though He allows Satan free roam over anything attached to Job's life.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

Because, in the Book of Job, for [SEVERAL CHAPTERS], it is GOD TALKING! It's what we want out of the Bible, His Own Words to another human being, just like what we are today. It's Medicine to the Soul!

Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?

Ummmmmmm, this, Job, is one of my favorite Books of the entire Tanakh!

 

[Magenta]

@de-emerald why did you tag me in this post.

I never said or even implied any of this that you have written in this post!

Yeah, being falsely accused of something and then asked why we did not answer their honest questions?

... I haven't had a chance to read through this thread, yet.

Lot of Muslim this and that mish mash jigsaw, and allegations of Scripture being false.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

why wont any of you answers all theese honest questions > why wont you ?

But firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.


Are you all afraid to answer theese questions ?

honestly it’s hard to make out the questions you always demand others answer for you interpreting the rants you commonly engage in towards others who have disagreed with you on some point somewhere in your experience here

listen I honestly have no issues with you or what you believe that’s between you and Jesus Christ no one else can change or affect your relationship with God

that’s fact. At some points you and I have had differing views , the difference is I’m not offended you seem to be carrying some offense . I’m no one special I mean that but observing you , I tend to perceive someone who has t yet realized how much God loves you before you did any work or learned any rule in the law even when we are sinners he loves us this much

“But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled,

we shall be saved by his life.

And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

he loves every one that way even before they think they are right

where’s the joy in bickering and inviting strife constantly ??? There’s no benefit in those things , I love you , Jesus loves you , if we disagree it’s still not going to change that part .

it’s hard for me to communicate sometimes but this is the reason I’m here looking for like minded people

“And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

let’s do that and grow up in the body I’m no one to correct anyone , I’m just letting you know please don’t bring me into these arguments my goal is to avoid them that’s why I stopped commenting on your posts it’s an argument waiting to happen

 

[Gideon300]

Sometimes a draft is lost if you have had to restart or shut down your device... that has happened to me, as well

There may be other reasons why a draft is lost that I am unaware of, but generally speaking, from my own experience anyway, a draft is only lost if I keep navigating away from that page repeatedly over a period of time, or because my device was restarted. Then it could be your clipboards have been cleared of anything that was saved on them. If I want something to last over a long period of time before I am comfortable either posting or deleting it once and for all, I save it as a notepad document Even some webpage favorites have disappeared over time, so if you have some that you refer to again and again, it may be wise to create a document of that material as well

Thanks.

 

[Absolutely]

I can tell this aint gonna end well

 

[Nehemiah6]

Demons in my opinion have assainated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

You really believe that demons have more power than God and Christ? Amazing. Of course demons (more precisely Satan) have assassinated the character of God and Christ. But as far as Christians are concerned, that is all rubbish. The true character of God and Christ is revealed in the Bible.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I can tell this aint gonna end well

Correct. Giving more glory to evil spirits is the path to folly.

 

[Dino246]

What makes you think im saying Jesus is working with satan

What makes you think I'm saying that you're saying Jesus is working with satan?

 

[Dino246]

why wont any of you answers all theese honest questions > why wont you ?

Explained already; I refuse to wade through your poorly written post. If there were questions, I didn't get that far.

Please, henceforth leave me out of your questions to everyone.

 

[Dino246]

I fixed some of the errors...

de-emerald said:

Hi dear Christian and brother and sisters around the world, I would like to dispute this matter because I feel this is the biggest missing link in our bible, to understanding scripture, and sorting out so much confusion, please also let me apologize for any hurt this may cause you. At this moment I would like to say the bible warns us of many lies, and so for that reason there is many lies in our bible. but is there missing interpretation of those lies ?

In today's modern age as well of lot of you may know, there are endless sermons from preachers, telling us they hear the enemy whispering in their ear, trying to deceive their thoughts as well as so many Christians complaining of being tormented by demons around the world, and quite a lot of Christians in this very forum have opened up and told us how demons have tormented them. In a forum like this it takes courage to open up and confess you are being tormented by a demon because some people will use scripture that says God approves this but does He?

For some reason and I'm not completely sure why but Christians seem to have got it into there head that a Christian can be spiritually oppressed and its not from God, but yet somehow fail to recognize that may have been happening in the bible too, where there is scripture indicating God has allowed a demon to torment someone. Hardly anybody will say quite possibly that person was being deceived in the bible.

In those times of the old testament where people as spiritually aware as they are now and could they have been tricked by a deceiving demon into believing they where being tormented by demons on the authority of God. ?

If scripture said in the bible for every curse written concerning a demon, I had a demon attacking me saying he was from God would you believe it ?

At this moment i am not going to apply any scripture that suggests that this is what demons do, im going to share my heart instead. We now live in an age where people are more spiritually aware because of what Jesus did for us on the cross. I believe now the reason why people have spiritual receptors to know they are being tormented by demons is because they have received the holy spirit. Which is something they never had in the old testament.


Again without quoting any scripture at this moment There are endless accounts of Jesus telling us exactly what he thought about demons, how they could deceive us and what we must do to over come there torment.

Obviously if demons revealed there true intent of a person there tormenting they wouldn't be able to get a hold on a person and bring there lie into the world or rule a person. Again I'm not going to post any scripture at the moment that clearly suggest demons need a person to be in fear to rule them but share my heart.

The fear of death would have been more frightening in ancient times and something we all have to go through. Thankfully modern day hospitals can ease the pain when the race we run in life is coming to an end in this world. We can die in a more graceful state of mind. Thankfully to not as many people are forced into decisions these days on the bases of being killed if they don't. But in the old days the a lot of those deaths people suffered to force a new law was brutal in ancient times. I feel strongly that the fear of death is a big reason why people believe in haste, where by the wrong perception is believed in a hurry and out of panic.
perhaps this is also a favorite plot from demons.

One scripture I'm going to apply at this moment spoken from Jesus to a demon was Get away from me i never knew you. This is hardly fitting with God allowing demons to torment people as that would suggest Jesus does know them and interacts with them on a personal bases. I have many more perspectives on this based on scripture by Jesus that anything that suggests God allows demons to torment people is a false misrepresentation of God by a demon. Demons in my opinion have assassinated the character of God the father God the son and our holy spirit in our bible.

Thanks kindly.

 

[JaumeJ]

Where did I say that you said that? If anything, I have said that God uses Satan.

Romans 8:28

God will take that which is not to bring down that which is.

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade


I tagged the lot of you to answer some simple questions, which need answering befor we can even begin to sing from the same hymn book The questions that need to be discussed need to be answered.

There simple questions that wont take long to answer and theres 7 questions here that need an answer not just one, so unharden your hearts and particapate, and stop jumping to conclusions.

There honest question that deserve an honest answer from all of you. which will open the door to more insight if you will all take your time to answer, this is five times now none of you have answered theese honest questions and jumped to conclusions. You will be denying Jesus by not taking part in my request to take part in an honest discussion. I know some have you have answerd 1 or two question in this pack of seven questions. But im asking all seven to be answered by everyone of you,so please answer them. So far you have all denied christ 3 times. dont let it be a fourth. once again i ask you in the name of Jesus.

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

here are the question again please answer theese questions in the name of Jesus

firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

 

[de-emerald]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

i forgot the seventh question which again i ask you all to answer in the name of Jesus.

The words of satan Job 1
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”

The seventh question , how can you believe God would fall for the above temptation from satan, when Jesus says to satan, do not tempt the lord your God and get away from me satan.

 

[Evmur]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

i forgot the seventh question which again i ask you all to answer in the name of Jesus.

The words of satan Job 1
9 Satan replied, “Would Job worship you if he got nothing out of it? 10 You have always protected him and his family and everything he owns. You bless everything he does, and you have given him enough cattle to fill the whole country. 11 But now suppose you take away everything he has—he will curse you to your face!”

The seventh question , how can you believe God would fall for the above temptation from satan, when Jesus says to satan, do not tempt the lord your God and get away from me satan.

God's whole purpose was to exonerate Job before his critics and to expose Satan as the accuser of the brethren. And Job was not self righteous as someone said he was perfect according to God.

 

[Mem]

@Pilgrimshope @JaumeJ @1ofthem @Absolutely @AandW @Mem @Dino246 @Magenta @Lucy-Pevensie @glen55 @Gideon300 @Runningman @Ahwatukee @tourist. @Blade

here are the question again please answer theese questions in the name of Jesus

firstly who is explaining the story of Job 1 here, whos account is it. and secondly who is this story being told to ?

2 who struck Jobs cattle with lightening Question (Did God give satan the abiity to use Gods lightening to kill the cattle.)

3, How did the Sabeans come to kill Jobs servants, Question did satan possess them sabean people ? and did God allow that too ?

4 who caused the storm that killed Jobs children ? Question Did God Give satan the authority to command Gods weather and create a storm to Kill Jobs Children.

5 How can you believe the story of Job is accurate account of what God allows.

6 How can you believe a word satan says in this Job 1 story ?.

Before anyone answer any of these questions, lets be clear that these are an attempt of a leading toward the conclusion that the book of Job was written by Satan? and anyone that believes otherwise is denying Christ? Yes?