Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists

[ParticularWife]

I've met people who call themselves 'Fundamentalists' and they take the Bible very seriously. We often agree on things like eternal security, God's complete control, and His greatness. We even agree on some things where I disagree with most Reformed people, like believer's baptism.
I'm not sure exactly what 'Fundamentalism' means. I haven't read the books called "The Fundamentals," so I don't know much about it. I've seen lists of things they believe, like the Bible is true in the original writings, God is one God in three persons, Jesus was born of a virgin, He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and will come back.
I believe all these things. Does that make me a Fundamentalist? Or are there other things that make someone a Fundamentalist?

I'm a Calvinistic Baptist, but I've met Pentecostals and Fundamentalists who love God and preach the gospel. I get my ideas from many different places, but I don't understand where some modern General Baptists and Fundamentalists get their ideas (whether I agree with them or not). I also don't know what they think about strict Reformed beliefs.

 

[ParticularWife]

I found this article, I'll read it, but tell me if this seems accurate. It's not very friendly to modern Fundamentalism, but this article isn't recent, either. I have heard dispensationalism is in decline and Fundamentalist camps are becoming more intellectual and Seminary friendly.
Fundamentalism and Reformed Theology

 

[Eli1]

I've met people who call themselves 'Fundamentalists' and they take the Bible very seriously. We often agree on things like eternal security, God's complete control, and His greatness. We even agree on some things where I disagree with most Reformed people, like believer's baptism.
I'm not sure exactly what 'Fundamentalism' means. I haven't read the books called "The Fundamentals," so I don't know much about it. I've seen lists of things they believe, like the Bible is true in the original writings, God is one God in three persons, Jesus was born of a virgin, He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and will come back.
I believe all these things. Does that make me a Fundamentalist? Or are there other things that make someone a Fundamentalist?

I'm a Calvinistic Baptist, but I've met Pentecostals and Fundamentalists who love God and preach the gospel. I get my ideas from many different places, but I don't understand where some modern General Baptists and Fundamentalists get their ideas (whether I agree with them or not). I also don't know what they think about strict Reformed beliefs.

I don't think you're a fundamentalist, despite your love for boomers.

 

[rrcn]

I found this article, I'll read it, but tell me if this seems accurate. It's not very friendly to modern Fundamentalism, but this article isn't recent, either. I have heard dispensationalism is in decline and Fundamentalist camps are becoming more intellectual and Seminary friendly.
Fundamentalism and Reformed Theology

All of the research I have done leads me to believe that these are just labels of very similar characteristics that allow people to define a person’s current status in terms of their personal ideology. This may be helpful in choosing a church or a spouse but would be woefully inadequate in determining a person’s relationship with Jesus, which in the end is all that matters.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

I grew up baptist.

I was GARBC baptist

Regular baptist

And fundamental baptist.

the only thing I did nto attend was southern baptist. But from what I have heard by talking to them, they are really no different in their fundamental truths of Gods word according to the baptist faith

I will be honest. I did not see a difference in any of these churches. anyone coming in would not recognize them either. I think they are just labels...

 

[GWH]

I've met people who call themselves 'Fundamentalists' and they take the Bible very seriously. We often agree on things like eternal security, God's complete control, and His greatness. We even agree on some things where I disagree with most Reformed people, like believer's baptism.
I'm not sure exactly what 'Fundamentalism' means. I haven't read the books called "The Fundamentals," so I don't know much about it. I've seen lists of things they believe, like the Bible is true in the original writings, God is one God in three persons, Jesus was born of a virgin, He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and will come back.
I believe all these things. Does that make me a Fundamentalist? Or are there other things that make someone a Fundamentalist?

I'm a Calvinistic Baptist, but I've met Pentecostals and Fundamentalists who love God and preach the gospel. I get my ideas from many different places, but I don't understand where some modern General Baptists and Fundamentalists get their ideas (whether I agree with them or not). I also don't know what they think about strict Reformed beliefs.

I was raised as a OSAS Baptist, but now I believe we all should be ecumenical or nondenominational Christians who base our beliefs on our own reading of the Bible, even though we do not have the original writings.

 

[Edify]

I was raised as a OSAS Baptist, but now I believe we all should be ecumenical or nondenominational Christians who base our beliefs on our own reading of the Bible, even though we do not have the original writings.

I wouldn't recommend being ecumenical since the RCC and Universalism is at the heart of it.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I've met people who call themselves 'Fundamentalists' and they take the Bible very seriously. We often agree on things like eternal security, God's complete control, and His greatness. We even agree on some things where I disagree with most Reformed people, like believer's baptism.
I'm not sure exactly what 'Fundamentalism' means. I haven't read the books called "The Fundamentals," so I don't know much about it. I've seen lists of things they believe, like the Bible is true in the original writings, God is one God in three persons, Jesus was born of a virgin, He died for our sins, rose from the dead, and will come back.
I believe all these things. Does that make me a Fundamentalist? Or are there other things that make someone a Fundamentalist?

I'm a Calvinistic Baptist, but I've met Pentecostals and Fundamentalists who love God and preach the gospel. I get my ideas from many different places, but I don't understand where some modern General Baptists and Fundamentalists get their ideas (whether I agree with them or not). I also don't know what they think about strict Reformed beliefs.

Fundamentalist Baptists believe they are the true congregation of saints; they trace their origins back to the beginning. Some of the groups they claim as their ancestors are the Cathari, Publicans, Anabaptists, Albigenses, and Waldenses. These groups were persecuted by the Roman Catholics at the time. Thus they see themselves as the preserved and unbroken line of the true ekklesia. As far as I can tell, "fundamentalist" means they think have the undiluted truth.

The Trail of Blood is one book I know of that many FBs recommend.

 

[GWH]

I wouldn't recommend being ecumenical since the RCC and Universalism is at the heart of it.

No, the prayer if Jesus for oneness in JN 17 is at the heart of it, but what you cite are not it, and it is imperfect on CC--as it is in every church, because all Christians are imperfect--so unity will always be a goal that we should strive for (cf. PHP 3:12).

 

[p_rehbein]

I'm a Calvinistic Baptist

This is your "label" according to the world I suspect.

I am Church of God Reformation Movement not affiliated with Anderson, In. That being my "label." I'm fine with that.

God sees His children, not the earthly "labels" of man.

 

[lrs68]

I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.

 

[Edify]

No, the prayer if Jesus for oneness in JN 17 is at the heart of it, but what you cite are not it, and it is imperfect on CC--as it is in every church, because all Christians are imperfect--so unity will always be a goal that we should strive for (cf. PHP 3:12).

Unity of the faith & unity of the false doctrine of universalism are two different things altogether.

 

[wattie]

Im in an IFB church, and its not Calvinist or Arminian.

We dont believe people are pre chosen for hell or heaven but we do believe in OSAS.

Comes down to believing scripture or tradition.

I could take the baptist name out, but its familiar for people.

Why not be 'fundamental' about scripture?

 

[Beckworth]

I was raised as a OSAS Baptist, but now I believe we all should be ecumenical or nondenominational Christians who base our beliefs on our own reading of the Bible, even though we do not have the original writings.

True, we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible, but don’t let that cause your faith in it to waver. If I were to doubt the Bible’s accuracy or purity, I would be doubting God’s power. For surely if He is as powerful as the scriptures say, He can protect and preserve His own Book! And also, I would be doubting His love for me. Does God not love me enough to keep His word pure so that I can read it and know how to be saved? If the Bible is not reliable, then either God is not powerful enough to preserve it or He doesn’t care about mankind enough to preserve it. Neither of those 2 things is true. And I know you don’t believe that either. Here is what God says about His word:
Isaiah 49:8- The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of God stands forever.”
1 Peter 1:25-“But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Luke 21:33-“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” In fact, John 12:48 says that His word will be right there at the judgement to judge us according to our works. So the Bible will be around longer than this earth will.
1 Peter 1:23-“The word of God lives and abides forever.” (See also, Psalms 119:89, 160., Psalms 100:5)

Satan will try to put “doubt” in our hearts. Doubts about whether the Bible is real. Can we trust it? Is it contaminated and inaccurate? That is his job—to attack our faith. But don’t let him do that to you. Trust God. Believe and trust His word. Men have tried in the past to destroy it, but no one can. It will be here when the earth and the heavens are no more. Praise God!

 

[GWH]

True, we do not have the original manuscripts of the Bible, but don’t let that cause your faith in it to waver. If I were to doubt the Bible’s accuracy or purity, I would be doubting God’s power. For surely if He is as powerful as the scriptures say, He can protect and preserve His own Book! And also, I would be doubting His love for me. Does God not love me enough to keep His word pure so that I can read it and know how to be saved? If the Bible is not reliable, then either God is not powerful enough to preserve it or He doesn’t care about mankind enough to preserve it. Neither of those 2 things is true. And I know you don’t believe that either. Here is what God says about His word:
Isaiah 49:8- The grass withers, the flower fades, but the word of God stands forever.”
1 Peter 1:25-“But the word of the Lord endures forever.”
Luke 21:33-“Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.” In fact, John 12:48 says that His word will be right there at the judgement to judge us according to our works. So the Bible will be around longer than this earth will.
1 Peter 1:23-“The word of God lives and abides forever.” (See also, Psalms 119:89, 160., Psalms 100:5)

Satan will try to put “doubt” in our hearts. Doubts about whether the Bible is real. Can we trust it? Is it contaminated and inaccurate? That is his job—to attack our faith. But don’t let him do that to you. Trust God. Believe and trust His word. Men have tried in the past to destroy it, but no one can. It will be here when the earth and the heavens are no more. Praise God!

You raise a good point: Those who try to defend against Satan sometimes do the opposite when they claim the extant Scriptures are inerrant, even though reliable is sufficient, which allows for minor mistakes without thinking GRFS and important secondary doctrines are not reliably communicated. For example, they deny discrepancies such as the following:

Between MK 9:40 in which the person not against Jesus is for him, and MT 12:30 in which the person not with Jesus is against him.

Or between LK 23:46 in which the last words of Jesus were "Father, into...", and JN 19:30 in which the last words were "It is finished".

Or between MK 10:46 in which a blind man is healed, and MT 20:30 in which two blind men are healed

And so forth...

 

[Eli1]

And so forth...

Major, i'm not gonna lie but the interpretations of American Baptist Church seems to align more with Eastern Christianity, i told you this before.
For example, you and the millennial make a lot of valid points which are true in my Church.
She recently mentioned communion where you're not allowed to have a non-baptized person, communion.
In fact i'll do you one better. How about not being allowed to have communion based on nationality?

For example, i went to an Egyptian Church once for prayers. One of the priests at the door told me: You can't have communion here because you're not Egyptian.
Of course a regular American like yourself might have sued that guy for discrimination, but i simply laughed and i said: "I'm not here for your communion, i'm here because i saw your church in a dream and i need to pray here for a while".
He was taken back by that and said : "let me talk to our head priest" ... and then they let me in.

Imagine going into a church by showing your passport major!

 

[rrcn]

You raise a good point: Those who try to defend against Satan sometimes do the opposite when they claim the extant Scriptures are inerrant, even though reliable is sufficient, which allows for minor mistakes without thinking GRFS and important secondary doctrines are not reliably communicated. For example, they deny discrepancies such as the following:

Between MK 9:40 in which the person not against Jesus is for him, and MT 12:30 in which the person not with Jesus is against him.

Or between LK 23:46 in which the last words of Jesus were "Father, into...", and JN 19:30 in which the last words were "It is finished".

Or between MK 10:46 in which a blind man is healed, and MT 20:30 in which two blind men are healed

And so forth...

Paul said a bit about that, here are a few of my favorites:
[2Ti 2:15 KJV] 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
[Heb 4:12 KJV] 12 For the word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[Eli1]

And so forth...

And one more thing major, no church is perfect that's why we can't bring the real KOG here but we can agree on other things as i've said.
Let's take this list for example:
10 Facts About American Baptists - ABCUSA

1 American Baptists believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior, and that the Bible is the divinely inspired word of God that serves as the final written authority for living out the Christian faith.
Agreed.

2 For American Baptists the local church is the fundamental unit of mission in denominational life.
Agreed.

3 American Baptists partake of two ordinances: believers’ baptism and The Lord’s Supper.
Agreed.

4 American Baptists believe that the committed individual Christian can and should approach God directly, and that individual gifts of ministry should be shared.
Agreed.

5 American Baptists take seriously the call to evangelism and missionary work.
Agreed.

6 American Baptists support religious freedom and respect the expressions of faith of others.
Agreed.

7 American Baptists acknowledge that God’s family extends beyond our local churches, and that God calls us to cooperative ministries.
Agreed.

8 American Baptists have been called to be Christ’s witnesses for justice and wholeness within a broken society.
Agreed.

9 American Baptist Churches USA celebrates the racial, cultural and theological diversity witnessed within its membership.
Agreed.

10 American Baptists heed the biblical call to renewal and the need for a vital witness in a new millennium.
Sure, i'll give you this one too.

10 out of 10! This means that we have 100% agreement on these points major!
Wow. Hallelujah!

 

[Beckworth]

You raise a good point: Those who try to defend against Satan sometimes do the opposite when they claim the extant Scriptures are inerrant, even though reliable is sufficient, which allows for minor mistakes without thinking GRFS and important secondary doctrines are not reliably communicated. For example, they deny discrepancies such as the following:

Between MK 9:40 in which the person not against Jesus is for him, and MT 12:30 in which the person not with Jesus is against him.

Or between LK 23:46 in which the last words of Jesus were "Father, into...", and JN 19:30 in which the last words were "It is finished".

Or between MK 10:46 in which a blind man is healed, and MT 20:30 in which two blind men are healed

And so forth...

Some of those “contradictions” could have possible explanations; but, regardless, they do not affect my soul’s salvation, nor any necessary information that I might need to get to heaven. I still think it is more reasonable to believe than to not believe.

Someone would have to be able to explain how all the Bible prophecies were fulfilled—some 100 years after they were made. There were over 300 prophecies alone about Jesus. All were fulfilled. Prophecy is an important testimony to the divinity of scripture. So also is the “eye witness” testimony of the writers of the New Tesrament. Eye-wittness testimony is still the strongest evidence in our courts today. But probably the most important reason I believe the Bible is the Word of God is the “empty tomb.” Those 3 reasons prove to me that the Bible is divine.
It is the only book ever written by 40 different men, over a period of at least 1500 years; from 3 different continents, in 3 different languages. I am a strong believer! As I’m sure you probably are, too.

 

[GWH]

Major, i'm not gonna lie but the interpretations of American Baptist Church seems to align more with Eastern Christianity, i told you this before.
For example, you and the millennial make a lot of valid points which are true in my Church.
She recently mentioned communion where you're not allowed to have a non-baptized person, communion.
In fact i'll do you one better. How about not being allowed to have communion based on nationality?

For example, i went to an Egyptian Church once for prayers. One of the priests at the door told me: You can't have communion here because you're not Egyptian.
Of course a regular American like yourself might have sued that guy for discrimination, but i simply laughed and i said: "I'm not here for your communion, i'm here because i saw your church in a dream and i need to pray here for a while".
He was taken back by that and said : "let me talk to our head priest" ... and then they let me in.

Imagine going into a church by showing your passport major!

Ideally every Christian should be able to participate in communion in every local church of every denomination on every planet in the universe. :^)