Four blood: moons much to do about nothing.

[Cycel]

Six month time frame? are you sure were talking about the same thing here? I am talking about the four blood moon tetrad in which four blood moons in a row land on Jewish feast days not just regular blood moons

My mistake. Faulty memory. I had to look this up again. A lunar tetrad is defined by four total lunar eclipses occurring in sequence within a 2 year period, not a 6 month period as I mistakenly claimed earlier.

A note for clarification: a total lunar eclipse looks red because the sunlight reaching it all passes through the Earth's atmosphere before encountering the Moon, giving it a red appearance. All total lunar eclipses are red, hence the name: blood moon. No blood moon is more of a blood moon than another. As far as I know they are all identical. If you know otherwise please explain it to me.

I've looked it up and there was a lunar tetrad commenting on 13 Apr 1948. The dates of the next three in that tetrad were 7 Oct 1949, 2 Apr 1950, and 26 Sep 1950. Interestingly it looks as though only the eclipse occurring on 2 Apr 1950 was visible from Israel. From a theological perspective does this change the significance of the event? What are the four Jewish feast days you are talking about?

 

[kentappel]

My mistake. Faulty memory. I had to look this up again. A lunar tetrad is defined by four total lunar eclipses occurring in sequence within a 2 year period, not a 6 month period as I mistakenly claimed earlier.

A note for clarification: a total lunar eclipse looks red because the sunlight reaching it all passes through the Earth's atmosphere before encountering the Moon, giving it a red appearance. All total lunar eclipses are red, hence the name: blood moon. No blood moon is more of a blood moon than another. As far as I know they are all identical. If you know otherwise please explain it to me.

I've looked it up and there was a lunar tetrad commenting on 13 Apr 1948. The dates of the next three in that tetrad were 7 Oct 1949, 2 Apr 1950, and 26 Sep 1950. Interestingly it looks as though only the eclipse occurring on 2 Apr 1950 was visible from Israel. From a theological perspective does this change the significance of the event? What are the four Jewish feast days you are talking about?

Yes I believe it is very significant that they aren't seen from Israel but more importantly, that in most cases the lunar tetrads came after the events they were supposed to be signaling. One would think that something that was a prophesy should have to come before the event it is foretelling.

Most Christians have no problem, for example, of saying that Mormon founder Joseph Smith adding on in the 1800s in his own translation of the Bible at the end of the Book of Genesis a prophesy that foretold of him coming as a prophet that it wasn't a prophesy at all because it was written after the fact. So why do people think something is a sign, such as the Lunar tetrads on feast days, when they occur after the fact?

 

[kentappel]

Can someone please tell me where, specifically in the Bible that it says that blood moons have anything to do with prophesy concerning Israel. I am not talking about people going back to key events in Israel's history and tying the blood moons as a pattern, but actually where the Bible says, again, specifically, that they are about Israel. Everything regarding the moon turning to blood is regarding the Day of the Lord so since that is the case, then the Bible isn't saying anything about the Jews being expelled from Spain, Israel becoming a nation again, and Israel controlling Jerusalem again. Sorry, if it isn't in the Bible, then it just speculation that there is a connection.

 

[dcontroversal]

Can someone please tell me where, specifically in the Bible that it says that blood moons have anything to do with prophesy concerning Israel. I am not talking about people going back to key events in Israel's history and tying the blood moons as a pattern, but actually where the Bible says, again, specifically, that they are about Israel. Everything regarding the moon turning to blood is regarding the Day of the Lord so since that is the case, then the Bible isn't saying anything about the Jews being expelled from Spain, Israel becoming a nation again, and Israel controlling Jerusalem again. Sorry, if it isn't in the Bible, then it just speculation that there is a connection.

Maybe by association....The Lord will seize control of ALL earthly Kingdoms at the 7th trump of Revelation which begins the Day of the Lord Revelation 11:15 so it stands to reason that Israel will be one of the Kingdoms that Jesus takes control of....if that is the case then Joel's prophecy concerning the MOON being turned to blood before the notable day of the Lord seems to fit....I find three things at the event in question...

Day of the Lord-->seizes control of all earthly kingdoms
Day of Christ-->resurrects/changes saints and Judges/REWARDS them in the air
Day of God as the announcement of his wrath being here is announced in Heaven

Jesus Is Lord, Christ and God. Just something to ponder....!

 

[kentappel]

One more thing, since there is a lot more going on besides the moon turning to blood, if we tie in the passages from Joel 2 together with other passages such as from Revelation 6 has anyone considered that it is not talking about eclipses at all? Notice how in Joel 2 it also talks about blood and fire and pillars of smoke and in Revelation 6 it talks about the stars falling down from heaven. consider that stars falling from heaven could be large meteors, asteroids, or comets hitting the earth. So the blood could be from those injured or killed from the objects hitting the earth, the fires and pillars of smoke could caused by the objects hitting the earth, the sun turning black could be from the smoke in the earth's atmosphere, and the moon turning to blood could also be from all of the smoke. I have actually seen the moon at night looking red when there has been a lot of smoke in the air from fires in my area. Read Joel 2:30-31 and Revelation 6:12-17 below, again, there is a lot more going on besides the moon turning to blood.


Joel 2:30-31
[SUP]
30 [/SUP]“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

Revelation 6:12-17
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

 

[kentappel]

Maybe by association....The Lord will seize control of ALL earthly Kingdoms at the 7th trump of Revelation which begins the Day of the Lord Revelation 11:15 so it stands to reason that Israel will be one of the Kingdoms that Jesus takes control of....if that is the case then Joel's prophecy concerning the MOON being turned to blood before the notable day of the Lord seems to fit....I find three things at the event in question...

Day of the Lord-->seizes control of all earthly kingdoms
Day of Christ-->resurrects/changes saints and Judges/REWARDS them in the air
Day of God as the announcement of his wrath being here is announced in Heaven

Jesus Is Lord, Christ and God. Just something to ponder....!

But someone seeing association is not enough it has to specifically say so. So since there are no prophesies regarding the moon turning to blood that one could link with the Jews being expelled from Spain, Israel becoming a nation, and Israel controlling Jerusalem again, It doesn't follow that the current tetrad means anything either. One more thing, why was there no lunar tetrads when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, foretelling the holocaust, or other significant event in Jewish history?

Also, aren't there supposed to be other things that are to happen before the Day of the Lord can happen?

I am making a prediction, not a prophesy, that nothing significant is going to happen regarding Israel during or right after the lunar tetrad of 2014 and 2015 and that the Day of the Lord isn't going to happen yet either in the next two to three years. I can't do any worse than people like Hal Lindsey who predicted that the Rapture of the church was going to happen in 1981 and the end of the ages in 1988. But unlike him and also John Hagee and Mark Blitz, I am not going to sell a bunch of books and make a lot of money even though I could really use it.

 

[Cycel]

So why do people think something is a sign, such as the Lunar tetrads on feast days, when they occur after the fact?

Wikipedia has an article on The Blood Moon Prophecy which explains how it gained attention in the popular media. A fellow by the name of Mark Biltz developed the claim in the first place and gave an end time date which passed without incident. John Hagee then latched onto it and developed the idea further. He wrote a best selling book on the subject but was clever enough not to include and end time date.

Below is a portion of the story from Wikipedia followed by a critique from an astronomical publication:

“Around 2008, [Mark] Biltz began predicting that the Second Coming of Jesus would occur in the fall of 2015 with the seven years of the great tribulation beginning in the fall of 2008. He said he had ‘discovered’ an astronomical pattern that predicted the next tetrad would coincide with the end times. When the prediction failed, he pulled the article from his website, but continued to teach on the ‘significance’ of the tetrad....

Hagee would seize on Biltz' prediction to write Four Blood Moons, which would became a best seller, spending more than 150 days in Amazon.com's top 150 by April 2014. For the week ending March 30, 2014, it was the ninth best selling paperback, according to Publishers Weekly. By mid-April, Hagee's book had hit No. 4 on the The New York Times best-seller list in the advice category. Hagee's book (and subsequent sermon series at his home congregation, Cornerstone Church) did not proclaim that any specific ‘end times’ event would occur (as did Biltz in his original prophecy), but claimed that every prior tetrad of the last 500 years coincided with events in Jewish and Israeli history that were originally tragic, yet followed by triumph.”

“Hagee and Biltz's speculations gained mainstream media attention in publications such as USA Today and the Washington Post. Earth & Sky reported receiving "a number of inquiries about Blood Moon", prompting a response. Despite the attention, it is not clear if many people actually believe the ideas. According to Christian Today, only a "small group of Christians" saw the eclipse as significant.

Writing for Earth & Sky Bruce McClure and Deborah Byrd point out that the referenced verse also says the "sun will be turned into darkness", an apparent reference to a solar eclipse. They note that since the Jewish Calendar is lunar, one sixth of all eclipses will occur during Passover or Sukkot. Furthermore, there have been 62 tetrads since the first century AD and eight of them have coincided with both the feasts. Thus, the event is not as unusual as Hagee and Biltz imply. Additionally, three of the four eclipses in the tetrad will not even be visible in the biblical homeland of Israel, casting further doubt on Hagee and Biltz's interpretation. Writing for Space.com, Geoff Gaherty said he was saddened that "'prophets of doom' ... view these life-enriching events as portents of disaster" and said the eclipse was "hardly something to be concerned about".”

 

[4enlightment]

But someone seeing association is not enough it has to specifically say so. So since there are no prophesies regarding the moon turning to blood that one could link with the Jews being expelled from Spain, Israel becoming a nation, and Israel controlling Jerusalem again, It doesn't follow that the current tetrad means anything either. One more thing, why was there no lunar tetrads when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD, foretelling the holocaust, or other significant event in Jewish history?

Also, aren't there supposed to be other things that are to happen before the Day of the Lord can happen?

I am making a prediction, not a prophesy, that nothing significant is going to happen regarding Israel during or right after the lunar tetrad of 2014 and 2015 and that the Day of the Lord isn't going to happen yet either in the next two to three years. I can't do any worse than people like Hal Lindsey who predicted that the Rapture of the church was going to happen in 1981 and the end of the ages in 1988. But unlike him and also John Hagee and Mark Blitz, I am not going to sell a bunch of books and make a lot of money even though I could really use it.

The Jews had celebrated others feast as well.

<strong>[video=youtube_share;CmGDJ3kJqU0]http://youtu.be/CmGDJ3kJqU0[/video]

 

[Cycel]

Considering that this four blood moon tetrad has only appeared 8 times in the last 2,000 years i wouldnt exactly call that common.

Actually, there have been 62 tetrads since the first century AD.

Tetrads of four sequential lunar eclipses with no intervening partial lunar eclipses occurs 6 other times in this century, but this is the only time it occurs on the Jewish holy days of Passover and Feast of Tabernacles.

In past centures it has occurred eight other times on both Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles. The details are from the astronomy magazine Sky and Telescope.

 

[JGIG]

Just read this - it kind of jumped out at me while reading something unrelated to this thread and found it interesting:

6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (from Acts 1)
​

-JGIG

 

[Agricola]

Well we do not have much longer to wait to see what happens.

 

[JGIG]

Well we do not have much longer to wait to see what happens.

. . . as spoken by every generation since the Ascension . . .



-JGIG

 

[Agricola]

. . . as spoken by every generation since the Ascension . . .



-JGIG

Regarding the return of Christ yes, but I was referring to any significant events which happen after the eclipses.

 

[JGIG]

A wise man sees evil coming a prepares for it<----In the bible and biblically proven....Jesus, Noah, Rahab, Joseph etc.
EVEN though the things will happen, God told the disciples dia Jesus when you see certain events FLEE to the place that has been prepared....I agree there are many fine lines and one can get a little over board, but having said that...If the Lord lays upon your heart to prepare then if you do not prepare is disobedience....I too have a son who is handicapped and the Lord has allowed me over 2 million dollars worth of supplies that he needs to sustain his life without me putting out one thin dime for it.....God can protect us from bloody and deceitful men and even God had the children of Israel keep the wall and defend the cities that they were in.....SOME will be ALIVE and remain unto the PAROUSIA of Jesus and to say this family or that group is unscriptural for preparing and or wrong for preparing is a judgment call that none of us can accurately make in my view.....I am sure the majority if not all thought Noah was a whack job for sure!

First, let me say how glad I am that God has blessed you with provisions for your son \o/.

Regarding Noah, Rahab, Joseph, etc., they are all pictures of the salvation that we have in Christ.

In Christ, we are not to fear those who can destroy the body ([SUP]4[/SUP]“I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do." - Luke 12:4). There are believers right now who are having their children's heads cut off or are being crucified, and they go to their deaths knowing that the Kingdom of God is at hand - it is in us (the Body of Christ) now, and will come with fullness after every tribe and tongue is reached with the Gospel.

How does one 'prepare' for such persecution?

By knowing and resting in who they are in Christ.

Are the things going on in our world judgements from God?

The Bible tells us that in Christ, God was reconciling the world to Himself, not counting men's sins against them (2 Cor. 5). His desire is reconciliation, not judgement. Indeed, He poured out His judgement on Christ at the Cross, forgiving not only our sins, but the sins of the entire world (1 Jn. 2:2). Does that mean that all are saved? No - they need to enter in to what God has done in Christ by faith (Rom. 5, Eph. 2, Gal. 2,3).

The things that we see happening today are the results of man's free will and bent towards the destruction of self and others because they are without Christ.

Whose job is it to bring the Gospel to them?

Ours:

18 All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; 1

9 that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (from 2 Cor. 5)​

Too many Christians sit and curse the darkness rather than bring the wonderful Light they have hiding under their baskets .

What is being obedient in preparing for 'what's coming'?

To go out and tell as many people as we can, looking for every open door, every opportunity, praying for opportunities to share the Good News of Jesus, Who He is, What He came to do, What that actually accomplished, and who those who put their faith in Christ are in Him.

Why? Because if you're in Christ you're prepared.

God has entrusted to us the ministry of reconciliation to help others get prepared.

-JGIG

 

[Cycel]

Regarding the return of Christ yes, but I was referring to any significant events which happen after the eclipses.

How would you go about demonstrating that the connection is not simply a coincidence? When total lunar eclipses occur 2 to 5 times each year then some events just by chance do have to follow after them.

 

[john832]

Honestly I would correct the op as the blood moons have everything to do with bible prophecy but it would be pointless because i dont need to the next three blood moons will speak for themselves

You gotta scripture for that?

 

[4enlightment]

Just read this - it kind of jumped out at me while reading something unrelated to this thread and found it interesting:

6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?”

7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

9 And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. 10 And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes, 11 and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (from Acts 1)
​

-JGIG

They were asking Jesus is He was going to restore Israel in their generation, but He had told them that it is not for them (that generation) to know when, but once the Holy spirit comes into them, they will have great powers, but its does says that the generation of the future that there sons and daughters and their old men will be prophesying by having visions and dreams and most likely when a person has visions and dreams about what is going to happen in the future is prophesying. And so has anybody has been seeing 211 everywhere lately? I had noticed that has been mentioned on this site a lot that they have been seeing numbers from all sorts of members.

 

[kentappel]

They were asking Jesus is He was going to restore Israel in their generation, but He had told them that it is not for them (that generation) to know when, but once the Holy spirit comes into them, they will have great powers, but its does says that the generation of the future that there sons and daughters and their old men will be prophesying by having visions and dreams and most likely when a person has visions and dreams about what is going to happen in the future is prophesying. And so has anybody has been seeing 211 everywhere lately? I had noticed that has been mentioned on this site a lot that they have been seeing numbers from all sorts of members.

Where in the Bible does the number 211 have any significance? If it is not in the Bible, then it is pure speculation. I do not believe numerology means anything as we don't need to read between the lines but instead we need to read the lines that are there. Jesus said he never taught anything hidden or that was in secret. Yes he did teach in parables at times but the words were clear and out in the open for anyone willing to hear them.

 

[kentappel]

One more thing, since there is a lot more going on besides the moon turning to blood, if we tie in the passages from Joel 2 together with other passages such as from Revelation 6 has anyone considered that it is not talking about eclipses at all? Notice how in Joel 2 it also talks about blood and fire and pillars of smoke and in Revelation 6 it talks about the stars falling down from heaven. consider that stars falling from heaven could be large meteors, asteroids, or comets hitting the earth. So the blood could be from those injured or killed from the objects hitting the earth, the fires and pillars of smoke could caused by the objects hitting the earth, the sun turning black could be from the smoke in the earth's atmosphere, and the moon turning to blood could also be from all of the smoke. I have actually seen the moon at night looking red when there has been a lot of smoke in the air from fires in my area. Read Joel 2:30-31 and Revelation 6:12-17 below, again, there is a lot more going on besides the moon turning to blood.


Joel 2:30-31
[SUP]
30 [/SUP]“And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.

Revelation 6:12-17
[SUP]
12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

No one responded to this comment where I pointed out an alternative that the Prophet Joel may not have been talking about eclipses at all as, again as I presented, there is more going on besides the moon turning to blood. Some of my friends seem to think I should listen to Blitz and Hagee and I will see clearly what is going to happen but I don't need to listen to them as I have the prophets Joel and the apostle John to tell me instead.

 

[JesusIsAll]

No one responded to this comment where I pointed out an alternative that the Prophet Joel may not have been talking about eclipses at all as, again as I presented, there is more going on besides the moon turning to blood. Some of my friends seem to think I should listen to Blitz and Hagee and I will see clearly what is going to happen but I don't need to listen to them as I have the prophets Joel and the apostle John to tell me instead.

Always my sentiments, too, long before this tetrads apocalyptic flavor of the month. The blood moon of the Bible is deep into the day of the Lord, the tribulation, coincident of other events of upheaval, and, as mentioned before, events that can't fit into a timeframe of between now and and the last eclipse of 2015. Square pegs, round holes!