Essential Christian Doctrines

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This is not the place, and I have no desire to discuss what hyper-Calvinists believe.

Also, I said I'm not a Calvinist. Will you acknowledge this, or bear false witness against me?
NightTwister

In post no. 233 I made a statement that the reformed/calvinist believe that God created evil.

In post no. 234 YOU replied in one sentence
"no WE don't".

The word WE does seem as if you're stating that you put yourself in the Calvinist camp.

I just got here and can only go by what members are posting to me.

So...

I'm not bearing false witness.
You'll find that I'm very careful in what I post.

If you say you're not Calvinist in theology,,,,i MUST accept it.

But please don't accuse me of bearing falses winess.
TK
 
NightTwister

In post no. 233 I made a statement that the reformed/calvinist believe that God created evil.

In post no. 234 YOU replied in one sentence
"no WE don't".

The word WE does seem as if you're stating that you put yourself in the Calvinist camp.

I just got here and can only go by what members are posting to me.

So...

I'm not bearing false witness.
You'll find that I'm very careful in what I post.

If you say you're not Calvinist in theology,,,,i MUST accept it.

But please don't accuse me of bearing falses winess.
TK
I'm reformed, but not a "Calvinist." I didn't follow any man. Still going to bear false witness?
 
I'm reformed, but not a "Calvinist." I didn't follow any man. Still going to bear false witness?
What's the difference.

I usally say it like this.
Reformed/Calvinist

John Calvin was the most popular or famous of the Reformed teachers.
So it's a good term to use.

As far as following a man:
You are following a man NightTwister.
It started with Luther.

Any teaching that is recent...will always be the teaching of a man.

Other such teachings would be, for instance, the JWs.

Any teaching that was not in the early church,,,is a man-made teaching.

You may not like the word Calvinist...but that is mostly how the reformed are defined/referred to.

Your one-man campaign to change this will be of no effect.

But, yes, what is the difference?

PS you might want to check out my post no. 239 to another poster that is also reformed/calvinist.
 
What's the difference.

I usally say it like this.
Reformed/Calvinist

John Calvin was the most popular or famous of the Reformed teachers.
So it's a good term to use.

As far as following a man:
You are following a man NightTwister.
It started with Luther.

Any teaching that is recent...will always be the teaching of a man.

Other such teachings would be, for instance, the JWs.

Any teaching that was not in the early church,,,is a man-made teaching.

You may not like the word Calvinist...but that is mostly how the reformed are defined/referred to.

Your one-man campaign to change this will be of no effect.

But, yes, what is the difference?

PS you might want to check out my post no. 239 to another poster that is also reformed/calvinist.
So you're going to bear false witness against me. Got it.
 
So you're going to bear false witness against me. Got it.
When and IF, we ever discuss this topic,,,
I will give it my best to refer to your theology as Reformed.

However, reformed/calvinist means the same to most and the nuance is so fine as to be insginificant.


Reformed:

Being a Reformed Christian means adhering to a Protestant theological tradition stemming from the 16th-century Reformation—particularly the teachings of John Calvin—which emphasizes the absolute sovereignty of God, the supreme authority of the Bible, and salvation by grace alone through faith alone in Christ alone. It is a faith centered on covenant theology, the Five Solas, and a life lived for God's glory.


Calvinist:

Being a Calvinist means adhering to a Reformed Protestant theological tradition based on the teachings of John Calvin, which emphasizes the absolute sovereignty of God in all aspects of life and salvation. Calvinists believe that God has predetermined, or predestined, who will be saved (the elect) regardless of human merit or actions.



I did ask you to define the difference.
They both adhere to a Confession.
They both adhere to the 5 points of Calvinism.

There really is no difference between Calvinism and high Calvinism.
Slight nuances that are of no importance...pertaining, basically, to HOW
the theology is understood.


And here is the definition of FALSE WITNESS.

A false witness is a person who deliberately provides untrue testimony, lies under oath, or spreads false reports, often to damage someone's reputation or cause harm.
 
Same questions apply.
Where did satan get evil from?
The reformed blame God for creating evil.
Since we know that this is not possible...
we're left with a mystery.
The reformed do not believe that God created evil/sin. However, He did allow for it. He did so by saying DO NOT EAT FROM THIS TREE.
That was a single command issued to Adam and Eve knowing that they would certainly disobey. They had the ability to choose to obey or not. Their choice to disobey caused the fall. THEY SINNED!. God did not force them to disobey but knew that they would.
Man is no longer able to please God. Shortly after the fall we are told in Gen 6:5 that the very thoughts of man are evil continually. If this is true then please tell me how man can please God without Him first doing a work in us!
 
The reformed do not believe that God created evil/sin. However, He did allow for it.

You know BB,,,,it gets tiring having to teach the Reformed/Calvinist faith to Calvinists.
They teach that God created evil.
Check out a confession...any confession.
Try the one I've been using on this thread....
The Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689

Try Chapter 3:1
3.2 is interesting also.

If you don't think that describes God CREATING evil...then you cannot accept your own theology.
Jump the fence and come on over to our side !


He did so by saying DO NOT EAT FROM THIS TREE.
That was a single command issued to Adam and Eve knowing that they would certainly disobey.
So God,,,,according to you,,,issued a command to Adam that God knew Adam would not be able to obey?


They had the ability to choose to obey or not.
BUT...you say they had the ability to obey or not.
OK. So they had free will.
See. That's not reformed/calvinist theology.
What a mess.




Their choice to disobey caused the fall. THEY SINNED!. God did not force them to disobey but knew that they would.
Agreed. This is mainline Christianity.


Man is no longer able to please God. Shortly after the fall we are told in Gen 6:5 that the very thoughts of man are evil continually. If this is true then please tell me how man can please God without Him first doing a work in us!
I'd be happy to...but first:
WHAT would that work be that God has to do FIRST before a man could be pleasing to God?

As to man not being able to please God...this is not true.
For instance,,,Abraham was a righteous man.
Noah was a righteous man.
They lived AFTER the fall.
 
You know BB,,,,it gets tiring having to teach the Reformed/Calvinist faith to Calvinists.
They teach that God created evil.
Check out a confession...any confession.
Try the one I've been using on this thread....
The Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689

Try Chapter 3:1
3.2 is interesting also.

If you don't think that describes God CREATING evil...then you cannot accept your own theology.
Jump the fence and come on over to our side !



So God,,,,according to you,,,issued a command to Adam that God knew Adam would not be able to obey?



BUT...you say they had the ability to obey or not.
OK. So they had free will.
See. That's not reformed/calvinist theology.
What a mess.





Agreed. This is mainline Christianity.



I'd be happy to...but first:
WHAT would that work be that God has to do FIRST before a man could be pleasing to God?

As to man not being able to please God...this is not true.
For instance,,,Abraham was a righteous man.
Noah was a righteous man.
They lived AFTER the fall.
Grace and Peace.
 
Night Twister...
I'd like to make this perfectly clear:
I love you as a brother in Christ.
I harbor no dislike toward you.
However, I do not like the Reformed faith for reasons we should not get into here.
Now you got me curious. You should start a new thread listing all that you dislike about reformed theology.
 
You know BB,,,,it gets tiring having to teach the Reformed/Calvinist faith to Calvinists.
They teach that God created evil.
Check out a confession...any confession.
Try the one I've been using on this thread....
The Baptist Confession of Faith of 1689
You are the one who is confused. You seem to think that man's abilities did not change with the fall, that he did not spiritually die. In other words, you do not believe that Gen 6:5 is true. That's OK, go walk the isle while saying the sinners prayer if you think that is all it takes. As for me, I believe that I was made new which enabled me to be pleasing to God, although not perfectly!
And yes, you are correct, I do believe that this is done for the elect only. . . .
 
You are the one who is confused. You seem to think that man's abilities did not change with the fall, that he did not spiritually die. In other words, you do not believe that Gen 6:5 is true. That's OK, go walk the isle while saying the sinners prayer if you think that is all it takes. As for me, I believe that I was made new which enabled me to be pleasing to God, although not perfectly!
And yes, you are correct, I do believe that this is done for the elect only. . . .
I'm happy for you.

Now try to behave as a Christian should.
 
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It's been 6 years since this was a topic, and there has been some discussion on other threads recently, so a new thread seems to make sense. What are the ESSENTIAL Christian doctrines? These are doctrines that divide us from other quasi-Christian religions (e.g. LDS, JW, etc.). I'll start things off with an edited list of Statement of Beliefs from my church on the essentials:

God
God is the Creator and Ruler of the universe. He has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God.
Biblical References: Genesis 1:1, 26–27, 3:22; Psalm 90:2; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; 1 Peter 1:2

Jesus
Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is co-equal with the Father. Jesus lived a sinless human life and offered himself as the perfect sacrifice by dying on the cross. He arose from the dead after three days to demonstrate His power over sin and death. He ascended to Heaven’s glory and will return again someday to claim His own and take them to that same Heaven.
‍Biblical References: Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:22–23; John 1:1–5; 14:10–30; Acts 1:9–11; Romans 1:3–4; 1 Corinthians 15:3,4; 1 Timothy 6:14–15; Titus 2:13; Hebrew 4:14–15

Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is co-equal with the Father and the Son. He is present in the world to make men aware of their need for Jesus Christ. He also lives in every Christian from the moment of salvation. He is our intercessor and provides the Christian with power for living, understanding of spiritual truth, and guidance in doing what is right.
‍Biblical References: John 14:16, 16:7–14, 17; Acts 1:8; Romans 8:26–27; 1 Corinthians 2:12, 3:16; 2 Corinthians 3:16–17; Galatians 5:25; Ephesians 1:13; 5:18

The Bible
The Bible is God’s Word to us. Human authors, under the supernatural guidance of the Holy Spirit, wrote it. It is the supreme source of truth for Christian beliefs and living. Because it is God inspired, it is the truth without any mixture or error.
‍Biblical References: Psalm 119:105, 160; Proverbs 30:5–6; Matthew 5:18; 2 Timothy 3:16–17; 1 Peter 1:25; 2 Peter 1:20–21, 3:15–16

Eternity
People were created to exist forever. We will either exist eternally separated from God by sin, or eternally with God through forgiveness and salvation. To be eternally separated from God is Hell. To be eternally in union with him is eternal life. Heaven and Hell are real places of eternal existence.
Biblical References: John 3:16; 14:17; Romans 6:23; 8:17–18; 1 Corinthians 2:7–9; Revelation 20:15

This should be a good starting point. Feel free to agree, disagree, modify, add, etc.[/QUOTE)

Sure 385 yrs after Jesus the intense Roman Empire needed a "new" reason to account for its it's victories. So now the "Council of Nicea" gives Rome the authority to govermoun the "Christian Church." Those in Greece, Egypt and the Aegean were required to adopt this "creed" or else be an enemy of Rome. Jesus said you can deny me and God the father but in "your denia" of the Holy Spirit "you have committed the "unpardonable" sin. Thus when the Roman Government chose the Western Christian Faith as the state religion in the late 4fh century, all other variants, of which where were many, were "heretics". Perhaps Jesus was anticipating the wholesale capture of His Gospel by Pagans "suddenly" in power and in charge of "Christianity" for the next 1,500 years.
 
It wasn't an answer.

It's a catch-22

Adam did evil.
But evil did not exist before he ate.

It WAS an answer, and mere disagreement does not refute it; nor did you share a better answer to the question:
Why was Adam able to do evil?
 
By using their term, they will use their understanding of it. That's nothing like what Paul did with the Athenians.

Perhaps not if you redefine it with the biblical meaning "reaping the just consequence for sins" (Rom. 2:6-11),
which is comparable to Paul redefining the unknown god as the one true God (Acts 17:22-31).
Perhaps some will believe and most will not, just like the Athenians (Acts 17:32-34), but hopefully the Hindus
are more open to learning new truth than stubborn you.