Ephesians 2 is not preaching faith alone.
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By faith I mean trust and confidence, especially when it leads to obedience.
It helps to remember that Jesus lived on earth entirely as Man. That was essential, otherwise salvation impossible. Lord Jesus is called the Last Adam. (1 Corinthians 15:45) Why? Because He obeyed God perfectly in every way. He is God's beloved Son in whom God is well pleased. (Mark 1:11 etc.) Lord Jesus is also called the Second Man (verse 47). Lord Jesus Is the founder of a whole new race of people that are called Christians. Lord Jesus is Head of the Body.
Without faith, it is impossible to please God (Hebrews 11:6) Lord Jesus was tempted as we are yet without sin. (Hebrews 4:15) So was He not tempted by doubt and unbelief as we are? Satan tempted Lord Jesus with exactly that in the wilderness. "If you are the Son of God.......)
Hebrews 12:2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Since Jesus is the author of our faith, He must have faith Himself.
Lord Jesus demonstrated his faith continually. When Lazarus was sick, Jesus waited until all human hope was gone. He knew that He could command Lazarus to rise again from the dead. How could that be? By faith (Hebrews 11:1)
"Through Him and on behalf of His name, we received grace and apostleship to call all those among the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith." Romans 1:5
Lord Jesus obeyed God perfectly, not as God but as Man. So I reject the Catholic concept that Jesus did not need faith because He was God.
Thanks for getting back to me Gideon you are a man of your word.
That last word I just typed can be typed as "Word" also.
The Word became flesh.
John 1:14
And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from
the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jesus arrived from above and had a super natural birth.
Now we read in Philippians.
Philippians 2:8
Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death,
even death on a cross.
We know The Word who shared the glory with the Father through eternity. Was aware that He was now
in the form or image of a man.
Now what does the verse above state?
Knowing that HE appeared as a man "He HUMBLED HIMSELF".
We are observing someone who fully knows His own inner identity and has no time for faith or hope.
How does God in human form put a trust (faith) in Himself?
Jesus is going to lay down His life so that humanity puts there faith in Him.
Not the other way around.
You have it in reverse.
OK, so why did Jesus have to learn obedience? Hebrews 5:8. How come He had to "And Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and man."? Luke 2:52.
It was because Lord Jesus emptied Himself of all that made Him God. He did not stop being God, but He never invoked His powers as God.
Lord Jesus said that He would have to suffer and die. Yet when the time came He sought to avoid the ordeal. He was so stressed that He sweat drops of blood. I know what that is like. I had the same thing a few years ago when I was in hospital with pancreatitis.
You don't have to agree, that's OK. I'm only pointing out why I believe as I do.
Jesus did not forfeit His identity being the Lord of heaven and earth.
Jesus claimed deity and referred to Himself as 'I am'.
Jesus knew exactly who He was from a very early age.
Jesus raised the dead, walked on water, turned water into wine.
Another person who wants to tell people what they believe instead of trying to understand it. There's way too much of this on CC.
Incorrect. Though most of Hebrews is about Jesus Christ's eternal blood of resurrection, the once for all shed blood was His natural blood on the cross.
If Jesus' blood shed on the cross, is His blood being sprinkled today, then Jesus is shedding and sprinkling His blood time and time again.
Heb 10:12
But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Jesus offered His natural body once for sins on the cross, which can only be offered once unto death. No natural body can be shed of blood unto death more than once.
Therefore, the blood being sprinkled today must be the blood of the Spirit by resurrection from the dead.
1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ:
Heb 10:19
Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
No one can enter into the holiest place through the natural blood shed into the earth almost 2000 years ago.
Is Jesus' blood being shed again, so that He can sprinkle it on you? If not, then the blood of sprinkling is not Jesus' shed blood.
No blood that is shed by sinful man, can save the sinful man shedding the blood. No one getting Jesus' blood shed on them at the cross, was saved by His blood being shed on them as they beat, whipped, and crucified Him.
Mat 26:27
And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Catholic communion with the cup having the blood of Jesus in verity, is false. They drank wine from the cup of the last supper, not Jesus' blood, which would have been forbidden by law of Moses:
Lev 17:14
For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof: whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
Jesus by law cannot be speaking of His flesh and blood on earth.
Are you drinking the blood Jesus shed on the cross? If so, are you also eating the flesh of His body on the cross?
1Co 2:14
For the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Many carnal minded disciples who believed Jesus was speaking of His flesh and blood on earth, turned away from Him, being unbelievers in His spiritual words of life:
Jhn 6:52
The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?...When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?...From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
If Jesus had spoken of His flesh and blood on earth, then they would rightly have turned from such unlawful abomination.
Jhn 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Do you drink Jesus' blood?
There is no benefit from any substance, without eating and drinking that substance.
Imaginary faith alone turns the true things of the Spirit, into imaginary and ceremonial things alone.
Deu 29:19
And it come to pass, when he heareth the words of this curse, that he bless himself in his heart, saying, I shall have peace, though I walk in the imagination of mine heart, to add drunkenness to thirst:
For the Spirit to sprinkle the shed blood of Jesus on a cross, then Jesus must shed His blood again and again.
The sprinkling of the blood of the Spirit is the life of the newborn sons of God, not just ceremonial imagination.
Does Jesus sprinkling upon you His shed blood on the cross? Do you drink His blood?
Exactly. No repeated shedding of His blood to sprinkle upon anyone after being buried in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
Your claim that Christ needed a 2nd blood or a 2nd atonement is only imaginary.
The one atonement made was by shedding the Lamb's natural blood unto death on earth, and now sprinkling the risen Lamb's eternal blood by the Spirit from heaven.
Are you being sprinkled and drinking the blood of the Lamb of God?
There is ONE sacrifice, ONE offering, ONE blood, ONCE for all shed on the cross & the Holy Spirit sprinkles the one eternal blood of the risen Lamb upon them that obey Him:
1Pe 1:2
Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
No one has the eternal life of Jesus without drinking His eternal blood of resurrection, and no one is born again of the Spirit before His resurrection from the dead.
No man can be saved nor justified by the death of Jesus at the cross.
Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
Are you being sprinkled with and drinking the blood of the Lamb of God?
You either don't understand your own words of "faith alone" or you intentionally reject being repeated back to you. That makes you either ignorant or childish. Given that your words have been repeated back to you many times that you don't understand your own "faith alone", I cannot conclude that you are ignorant.
P.s. Not showing how anything is misrepresented, can only conclude one's own words repeated back to them, are rejected.
P.s.s. If you don't like having your own words repeated back to you, then keep your own words and Faith Alone to yourself alone.
No one can be misunderstanding nor falsely presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ, by quoting the gospel words of Jesus Christ.
If someone's own gospel rejects Jesus' gospel words, then their gospel is not the gospel of Jesus Christ:
Gal 1:6
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. Which is not another;
Correct. And no man is saved without faith in His resurrection, and not only in His crucifixion.
Rom 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Faith in the crucifixion alone is a false gospel. Neither Paul, nor any apostle of Jesus Christ, only preached His crucifixion alone.
Gal 1:6
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Correct. But without His resurrection from the dead, His sacrificed body remains in the grave today.
Your gospel of crucifixion alone, is not the gospel of Jesus Christ:
1 Cor 15:2
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Rom 4:25
Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
False. This is the lie of the self-justifiers, that say they would not have had any part in Jesus being falsely accused and crucified alone on a cross:
Mat 23:29
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous, And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets. Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
Mat 26:35
Peter said unto him, Though I should die with thee, yet will I not deny thee. Likewise also said all the disciples.
Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Jesus was crucified by the hands of sinful men, and was not defended by His own disciples. Jesus died for the sins of man, because of man's sins against Him:
Psa 51:4
Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
If no man had sinned, Jesus Christ had no need come to die for sins. And Jesus Christ could not die for sins, if man had not sinfully put Him to death.
Therefore, not only are the false accusers and crucifiers guilty of Jesus' death on a cross, but all that have sinned against Him, have part in His crucifixion on a cross. No man that has sinned can escape God's judgment upon all sinners on earth for rejecting His only begotten Son, and putting Him to death by false accusation of blasphemy.
Mar 14:64
Ye have heard the blasphemy: what think ye? And they all condemned him to be guilty of death.
Deu 19:9
If thou shalt keep all these commandments to do them, which I command thee this day, to love the LORD thy God, and to walk ever in his ways;…That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Every man on earth has sinned, and therefore every man is guilty of the shed blood of Jesus Christ the righteous.
Rom 3:19
Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.
To say no man has any part in Jesus' death on a cross, is to accuse Jesus of suicide by cross. And even then, He could not have laid stripes on His own back, nailed himself to the cross, and then lifted Himself up to hang thereon.
The imaginary "Faith Alone" gospel has no grounding in any kind of physical nor spiritual truth.
The only part of Jesus' death that no man has any part in, is His resurrection from the dead:
Act 2:24
Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Any man saying they had no part in Jesus' death on the cross, is saying they have never sinned against Him, for which cause He must come in the flesh to die for our sins, that He might be raised again for our justification.
Heb 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Your the entire reply collapses the moment you invent a 2nd blood that Scripture never mentions.
Hebrews says Christ entered heaven BY HIS OWN BLOOD (Heb 9:12). You claim a later spiritual substance. Cite the verse.
Hebrews says we are sanctified by the blood shed outside the gate (Heb 13:12). You claim a later spiritual substance. Cite the verse.
God breathed scripture ties redemption to THE BLOOD OF HIS CROSS (Col 1:20).
Justification to HIS BLOOD (Rom 5:9).
Forgiveness to THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST (1 Jn 1:7).
Remission to the blood Jesus Himself said was SHED FOR MANY (Matt 26:28).
Your system only works if the cross shed blood became useless the moment it hit the ground. But Hebrews says the opposite: One sacrifice > ONCE FOR ALL (Heb 10:10). One offering that perfects FOREVER (Heb 10:14).
Scripture teaches ONE SACRIFICE - ONE OFFERING - ONE BLOOD - ONCE FOR ALL. You're position is 2 bloods. Every NT writer disagrees you.
The crucifixion was the lamb slain for our sin.
That sacrifice of the lamb fulfilled the Jewish law.
1 Corinthians 2:2
For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
That is why when Jesus died on the cross He said.
John 19:30
Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head
and gave up His spirit.
Everything that was required for our redemption occurred on that cross.
The New Covenant that Christ established was enacted on His shed blood not the blood of a bull.
Luke 22:20
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you
is the new covenant in My blood.
That reconciliation we have was solely based on His life for our lives.
The crucifixion was the ultimate act of God's agape love for us.
The resurrection is our guarantee of our resurrection on the last day.
The resurrection demonstrates that Christ was victorious over death.
You can accept the free gift (your salvation) given to you or you can reject it.
You cannot impose your feeble attempt at righteousness into that divine reconciliation
that Christ established for our sake.
The Light shone in the darkness and how bright was that Light.
Boast in Christ and die to that self orientation.
It's not about you it's about our Lord.
What a great photo and message that was and one of the best.
Yeah when they present themselves as "doctor" you know right up front they are slingin false doctrine
Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
"and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:" is clearly speaking of faith.
NO faith = NO grace = NO salvation
Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 5:4
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.