Does Rom 5:18 teach that Christ died for all men without exception ?
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The entire 5th Chapter of Romans is about the elect, their federal experience under the headship of Adam, and then their Federal experience with Christ, and how their union with Christ far exceeded and overcame that which resulted with their Federal headship with Adam. It has nothing to do with the lost reprobate at all. In fact Rom 3:21 through Rom 16 is striclty about the elect. The non elect may be alluded to a few times, i.e the rest which were blinded out from the election Rom 11:7
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
All men are in themselves because of their solidarity with Adam, guilty, however the letter to the Romans is about primarily the elect of God. Yes the non elect share in the same consequences of the Fall in Adam, and are hopelessly lost, but not so with the elect, their fall in Adam made way for their redemptive experience in their solidarity with Christ which predated their fall in Adam, for they had a elective union in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4 that the non elect didn't have, so their solidarity with the fall of Adam proves fatal. So the book largely isnt about the non elect period !
I already said there are a few references to the non elect, but 97% of the Epistle is to and in regards to the elect. In fact Paul was writing to people who already had a Spiritual reputation for Faith Rom 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world
And it was specifically to them he wrote and desired to preach the Gospel to Rom 1:15
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
The "to you" are believers, people of faith !
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world
And it was specifically to them he wrote and desired to preach the Gospel to Rom 1:15
So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.
The "to you" are believers, people of faith !
Because they are the select “ chosen “ ones ….. therefore christ only died for them .
It’s because they equate salvation only with Jesus dying and not his words of life. It allows them to reject the doctrine he taught and pretend Jesus died for thier sins and they are saved regardless now but the ones who aren’t saved , it’s because Jesus didn’t die for thier sins
It always comes back to believing “ I don’t need to hear what he said and obey him “ it’s a motive to continually reject lain and simple truths like Jesus died for all mankind’s sin .
seems as basic as it gets . God has done his part to forgive and remit sins and he sent the message out to everyone now whoever believes and whoever doesn’t believe is the determining factor
It’s because they equate salvation only with Jesus dying and not his words of life. It allows them to reject the doctrine he taught and pretend Jesus died for thier sins and they are saved regardless now but the ones who aren’t saved , it’s because Jesus didn’t die for thier sins
It always comes back to believing “ I don’t need to hear what he said and obey him “ it’s a motive to continually reject lain and simple truths like Jesus died for all mankind’s sin .
seems as basic as it gets . God has done his part to forgive and remit sins and he sent the message out to everyone now whoever believes and whoever doesn’t believe is the determining factor
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Man's inability is clearly laid out in Scripture. As is the Lord's ability to subject all things to Himself. And man has no excuse. How you reconcile seemingly contradictory Scriptures says much about your ability to understand of the deeper things of God. Many have very little discernment and cannot even tell the difference between what a natural man is capable of and what a spiritual man is capable of even though Scripture clearly delineates these things. The free will crowd is all about denying what Scripture says in this regard. They have the person who is a slave to sin and a lover of darkness deciding/choosing to believe that which he is opposed to in his inherently hostile-to-God mind while under the power and influence of the devil... taken captive to the will of the wicked one is how they inadvertently define freedom in their screwy theology. The natural man can neither receive nor comprehend the spiritual things of God. He does not decide to believe what is foolishness to him. Something has to change first, and it is with the heart one believes. Just yesterday one of them asserted that only those who choose to sin become slaves to sin and the only slaves to sin are atheists. Well you gotta know that is just plain wrong from start to finish. Adam chose to sin and he was no atheist. The vast majority of unbelievers probably do not consider themselves atheists and even Christians choose to sin. But these people rarely if ever acknowledge that they spout nonsense. Why would they? Their lack of rationality escapes their notice.
Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13
Jesus’ words in John 6 verse 65 I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them. Plus Colossians 1 verse 21 and 2 verse 13; Ephesians 2 verse 1a and 3b; Philippians 1 verse 6 and 2 verse 13
Yeah I e learned that if you find out the basic belief and doctrine then it makes sense why the avoidance . It’s like a house of cards if you allow anyone to pull out one thing that’s not true from your thinking the whole idea crumbles.
if you point really to anything that’s consistent in scripture it becomes really clear God has provided the means of salvation for every living person , but many of us choose the other part because we love the world and it’s pleasures more than the idea of eternity with God
even basic things like judgement they can’t reconcile that they have to be judged by thier deeds even though that’s the only thing Gods ever said about judgement but see “ if I’m already saved wothoit anything he said “ then I don’t need to hear it ….. the Bible isn’t hiding things it’s making us aware of things for instance
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
Gotta reject this completely
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11 NIV
do you see how if that’s true then the whole idea of pre election not based on a persons actions sort of cracks like an eggshell ? So then I have to somehow get people to not believe that part I have to expla J why it’s not true ect ect
The correct doctrine is important if you build a house on a foundation that’s made of sand or small loose pebbles you house is eventually going to buckle under the weight of the storms that come we have a solid foundation but many reject it
““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
Luke 6:46-
it’s not up tonthier ideas of being chosen regardless of what Gods word says. It’s just what the apostles warned was coming when we decide the truth isn’t worthy of our belief there’s nothing left but half truths and distortions
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
2 Timothy 4:3 NIV
itchong ears like to hear messages like “ you don’t need to actually repent and obey god your already saved “ or you aren’t capable to d repenting and obeying God unless he magically chooses you ect anything to avoid the change of mind that saves us
if you point really to anything that’s consistent in scripture it becomes really clear God has provided the means of salvation for every living person , but many of us choose the other part because we love the world and it’s pleasures more than the idea of eternity with God
even basic things like judgement they can’t reconcile that they have to be judged by thier deeds even though that’s the only thing Gods ever said about judgement but see “ if I’m already saved wothoit anything he said “ then I don’t need to hear it ….. the Bible isn’t hiding things it’s making us aware of things for instance
“For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.”
2 Corinthians 5:10 KJV
Gotta reject this completely
“God “will repay each person according to what they have done.” To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.”
Romans 2:6-11 NIV
do you see how if that’s true then the whole idea of pre election not based on a persons actions sort of cracks like an eggshell ? So then I have to somehow get people to not believe that part I have to expla J why it’s not true ect ect
The correct doctrine is important if you build a house on a foundation that’s made of sand or small loose pebbles you house is eventually going to buckle under the weight of the storms that come we have a solid foundation but many reject it
““Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say? As for everyone who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice, I will show you what they are like. They are like a man building a house, who dug down deep and laid the foundation on rock. When a flood came, the torrent struck that house but could not shake it, because it was well built. But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.””
Luke 6:46-
it’s not up tonthier ideas of being chosen regardless of what Gods word says. It’s just what the apostles warned was coming when we decide the truth isn’t worthy of our belief there’s nothing left but half truths and distortions
“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.”
2 Timothy 4:3 NIV
itchong ears like to hear messages like “ you don’t need to actually repent and obey god your already saved “ or you aren’t capable to d repenting and obeying God unless he magically chooses you ect anything to avoid the change of mind that saves us
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