Yes, I understand but we may clearly see through Constantine's decrees that there were those in the year 321 that were still persisting to keep the Sabbath.
Do you observe the Sabbath?
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Idk, that seems to be such a glib? (is that that word I wanting?) answer, considering everybody knows that. Perhaps a better word might be flippant? pert? I'm trying not to offend nor be offended tho
OK lets go with the scripture you quoted pertaining to this. What is going to be the response of many people if you tell them you have righteousness apart from obeying the law, your righteousness is faith in Christ. You are righteous before God apart from works? I hear it all the time. And verse31 confirms it in my view:Idk, that seems to be such a glib? (is that that word I wanting?) answer, considering everybody knows that. Perhaps a better word might be flippant? pert? I'm trying not to offend nor be offended tho
Do we then make void the law by faith?(can we act however we like) God forbid: Yea, we establish the law
The one that gets all the credit for the atrocities done in the name Christianity.
As I understand it, those that did not conform to Rome were increasingly marginalized and persecuted by the up-and-coming Roman Catholic, apostate church.
We will continue circling one another if I refer back to how we do not make void the law but establish it by believing, that the law is just to condemn us, and we establish that, the law, by agreeing that we cannot have righteousness of our own by it, no way no how. Indeed, we are the righteousness of Christ.
The Roman church took many centuries to increase it's power.
A series of ecclesiastical differences and theological disputes between the Greek East and Latin West preceded the formal split that occurred in 1054.[1][3][4] Prominent among these were the procession of the Holy Spirit (Filioque), whether leavened or unleavened bread should be used in the Eucharist,[a] the bishop of Rome's claim to universal jurisdiction, and the place of the See of Constantinople in relation to the pentarchy.[8] (wikipedia)
It wasn't until 1054 AD that a formal schism took place. This gives you some insight into how late it was, that the bishop in Rome was flexing his muscles.
I admit, i don't know all the answers a and I'm not perfect.
But from a personal experience. I've found that when i set my eyes on Jesus and heavenly things, my heart delights, and wants to do good works.
We can add anything to Christs righteousness, we can't improve the perfect gift that Christ gives us.
So why do i uphold the law and say it is God's will that we obey it?
Because the law is holy and just and good. The law is spiritual and a reflection of Gods character. Love for God and Love for each other is the summery of the 10 com...
My motives are not to gain favour or earn salvation. Not to be good enough.
By beholding we are changed into the image of God. Jesus perfectly obeyed the law, and i want to be like Jesus.
It is all about the motive....
Keeping the 10 commandments for the right motive is not wrong.
Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
We can't free ourselves from the guilt of sin.
Jesus can. Praise God for Jesus..
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Don't keep the law to be saved, but because you are saved.
Well the separation between us is on a number of levels.
Christ gave us two new commandments in a new covenant, you see ten commandments from an old covenant.
You read and understand the New Testament differently.
You believe the historical church honored the sabbath day, I do not see that in church history.
You see your church as a remnant church, I have seen too many remnant churches. In fact, I did not even know there was such a thing as a remnant church.
- Remnant (Seventh-day Adventist belief), the Seventh-day Adventist doctrine of the "remnant church"
- Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
- Remnant Fellowship Church, the home church of Gwen Shamblin, author of The Weigh Down Diet, based in Franklin, Tennessee
To those that have ears to hear. I agree.
But some refuse to see what Paul was saying...
Rom 8: 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
God was in a situation..
Remove the holy law and save us. (Mercy)
Or save the law which condemns us to eternal death (justice).
God out smarted the devil and had a plan that was perfect mercy and justice conbined.
Jesus paid the price (justice and mercy).
The moral law still stands but we are free from its condemnation by faith in Jesus's blood.
I was correcting myself.
I accidentally wrote "can" and i should have wrote "can't". On my phone i find i make lots of mistakes..
Sin is the transgression of the law. 1 John 3:4
Sin = death. Rom 6:23
All have sinned. Rom 3:23
So we are all condemned to death by the law.. but we have a SAVIOUR. John 3:16.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
The point is we are saved from the condemnation of the law, saved from the penalty of the law, because Jesus paid the price.
Jesus satisfied the requirements of the holy law and paid the price for our sins.
Perfect justice and perfect mercy.
If the law was removed why did Jesus need to pay the sins it reveals.
If the law was removed at the cross i am not guilty and need no salvation from sin and do not deserve death.
Sin = death. Rom 6:23
All have sinned. Rom 3:23
So we are all condemned to death by the law.. but we have a SAVIOUR. John 3:16.
Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
The point is we are saved from the condemnation of the law, saved from the penalty of the law, because Jesus paid the price.
Jesus satisfied the requirements of the holy law and paid the price for our sins.
Perfect justice and perfect mercy.
If the law was removed why did Jesus need to pay the sins it reveals.
If the law was removed at the cross i am not guilty and need no salvation from sin and do not deserve death.
The law is a list of offenses that partly identify, a deep seated corruption within our nature.
That corrupt nature, the flesh, is the problem that has plagued humanity since Adam.
Self-righteousness is not identified within the law, for example. Yet, self-righteousness was at the heart of the Pharisees rebellion against Jesus. A self-righteous person has no need of Jesus.
Worldliness is also not stipulated in the law, yet worldliness tugs on us all.
The love of money is another deadly sin, that is never mentioned in the law.
We find that Jesus collides with all three of these major sins.
The law is a somewhat weak tool, when competing in the heavyweight division of sin.
I am actually referring to the anti-Nicene days when the bishop of Rome tried to prevent the keeping of the Sabbath and feasts in the churches but only succeeded in Rome and Alexandria until later when the Roman Church gained more power through Constantine.
I am sorry, it was at the Laodicean Council 363-364. Canon 29
"The Laodicean council specificially refers to the Sabbath: “Christians must not judaize by resting on the [Jewish] Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honoring the Lord’s Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema (excommunicated) from Christ. " Canon 29
Laodicea was in Turkey.
It lay on a major trade route and in its neighbourhood were many important ancient cities; it was 17 km west of Colossae (Colossians), 10 km south of Hierapolis, and 160 km east of Ephesus.
Laodicea is also one of the seven churches of Asia mentioned in the Book of Revelation.
Distance of Laodicea to Rome, approximately 2000 km.
The Jews were under the law but the Gentiles at Laodicea were not under the law.
Hence, the church at Laodicea had nothing to do with the ceremonial law, or even the law as a whole.