Do you know what your protesting

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Jordon said:
faiths themselves are not directly called protestant are they. There spilt into many denominations, protesting simply means to question theology, because questions come out of scripture

You can't label them protestant as you are.

How does that personal surrender come about is the question.

Is it done in a state of spiritual awakening, first. ?

So whilst your in a state a temporal state of spiritual awakening, is it only them you can make a spiritual decision to love his son.
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OK, that's the kind of question I'm looking for.

The first thing that has to happen is the call of the Father, right?

We then hear the call of the Father and in our minds turn to the direction of the caller . That is the act of repentance.

So then the next thing that must happen is a response by us. That response is by taking that first step towards the caller by, a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. No spiritual awakening yet.

Faith and faithing first, then the spiritual awakening. I have all this detailed out in the salvation process thread.

It all been there for you for weeks.
 
It is always interesting to see how much time is wasted over doctrine. How many Protestants realize that many Protestant denomination officially recognize that Mary deserves some degree of honor? The Roman Catholics went too far at one point in time, and that was fairly recently, but the Roman Catholic view of Mary from the 1500's is officially, in many denominations, acceptable. Likewise, the RC view of some sacraments, such as baptism, is officially accepted. Lutherans, and I think Anglicans, differ on the Eucharist (the Lord's Supper) only with regards to the word used to describe what occurs, but agree on the "real presence" , most other Protestant denominations consider it symbolic.

Interestingly enough, when Martin Luther began the Reformation a brief summary of what went on would be, Martin protested, the Pope told him to shut up while he looked into the matter. Martin would not keep quiet, even after the Pope agreed that some in the Roman Catholic church were going too far and he slapped them down. Then Pope got mad because Martin would not keep quiet and slapped him down. Martin appealed to German princes that the Pope was after him and the princes took supporting Martin as an excuse to get rid of papal oversight of their actions.

Simply put, the Pope and Martin Luther talked past each other and for political, not religious, reasons a final separation arose.
 
Jordon said:
In this sermon we get clear instruction as to why there is a great divide, between Protestants and Catholics...
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I guess I'm a 'rejectivist'. From official RCC doctrine & beliefs [link], I reject the following -

SALVATION THROUGH WORKS
Council of Trent, sixth session, Decree on Justification, Canon 9 
If any one says that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema. 



Council of Trent, sixth session, Decree on Justification, Canon 24 
If anyone says that the justice received is not preserved and also not increased before God through good works, but that those works are merely the fruits and signs of justification obtained, but not the cause of its increase, let him be anathema. 



RCC Catechism 2027: No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods. 


SALVATION THROUGH MEANS OTHER THAN JESUS CHRIST [UNIVERSALISM]: 

RCC Catechism 841: The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."

RCC Catechism 

847: This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church: 
Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation. 


MEDIATION AND SALVATION THROUGH MARY [yes, this is still in the catechism]
RCC Catechism 969: "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfilment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.

PURIFIED THROUGH PURGATORY, NOT CHRIST
Council of Trent, 6th session, canon 30: If any one saith, that, after the grace of Justification has been received, to every penitent sinner the guilt is remitted, and the debt of eternal punishment is blotted out in such wise, that there remains not any debt of temporal punishment to be discharged either in this world, or in the next in Purgatory, before the entrance to the kingdom of heaven can be opened (to him); let him be anathema.

RCC Catechism 1030: All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

RCC Catechism 1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire.

TRADITION EQUAL TO SCRIPTURE
RCC Catechism 82: As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."

POPE IS 'SWEET CHRIST ON EARTH'
The Message of Fatima, Introduction: The twentieth century was one of the most crucial in human history, with its tragic and cruel events culminating in the assassination attempt on the “sweet Christ on earth”.

Apostolic Exhortation Vita Consecrata, Pope John Paul II, March 25, 1996: Against this background of love towards Holy Church, "the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim 3:15), we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope", the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth"

Apostolic letter, Pope John Paul II, Oct 1999: “And strengthened by her intimacy with Christ, the Saint of Siena was not afraid to point out frankly even to the Pope, whom she loved dearly as her “sweet Christ on earth”…”

Pointing out all of the above [and I'm merely scratching the surface] is not unkindness, so I hope you don't take it that way. It's just fact. There is no way to reconcile the RCC to the Bible. It is completely contrary. The great divide exists for a very real and valid reason.
 
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Jordon said:
This discussion you can quote humour if you want, but at the same time I would like it to be taken seriously.

God commands that also, that you take his word seriously.

Not that I'm suggesting you don't but I'm asking nicely.

Now the fruits of the spirit is love.

Do I have to love to get more grace, or do you think love would come naturally
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YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I'd take a picture of the burrito but I ate it anyways....
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Very odd indeed
 
rewriter said:
It is always interesting to see how much time is wasted over doctrine.
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Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Titus 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

1 Tim 6:3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine, and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

1 Tim 1:8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers – and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the Blessed God, which He entrusted to me.

2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

Doctrine. It's kind of important.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Thank you for finally having a sense of humor bro. Yes, chorizo equals pig intestines....so you know what traveled through that, right?
The whole burrito was one big protest lol
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well I would protest that once i ate some heart liver and lungs packed inside a pigs stomach, and it made me sick, but then again it may not do any good as some may say I may not have had the stomach for it 🤩
 
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Watchman22 said:
OK, that's the kind of question I'm looking for.

The first thing that has to happen is the call of the Father, right?

We then hear the call of the Father and in our minds turn to the direction of the caller . That is the act of repentance.

So then the next thing that must happen is a response by us. That response is by taking that first step towards the caller by, a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender. No spiritual awakening yet.

Faith and faithing first, then the spiritual awakening. I have all this detailed out in the salvation process thread.

It all been there for you for weeks.
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ok well I have a confession to make, It's not that I've always known the belief of others , it's just that I've always felt in my heart for a long time something to be true , that what I believe is true, but there in the background was something that needed answering, to my amazement I've since discovered my church fathers beliefs in its fullness of my beliefs, but one thing was missing , but I have to say it's not something I have complete belief in and on my own accord, it more of an ingrained belief from my parents, but that should not take away from my most recent discovery that actually my most recent discovery, completely quenched my thirst that all that I was believing was true, but again it's not on the bases of what a nother person believes individually, but on the bases of multiple beliefs, all coming to a point of belief, in believing that the other hundred beliefs made my final belief true.

But again it's also down to fact of testing all those beliefs with his word, in looking for assurance to see if all the beliefs where true.

So with this I ask the question.

It is possible a person can have full assurance there faith is justified ?
 
Jordon said:
well I would protest that once i ate some heart liver and lungs packed inside a pigs stomach, and it made me sick, but then again it may not do any good as some may say I may not have had the stomach for it 🤩
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I hear liver is packed full of nutrients, probably the healthiest organ to eat from an animal. I'm not too sure about hearts and livers, or a pig's stomach, but there are people on this site who eat calf testicles...I'd be willing to try it, but at the same time, I might have to be paid to try something like that.
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
I hear liver is packed full of nutrients, probably the healthiest organ to eat from an animal. I'm not too sure about hearts and livers, or a pig's stomach, but there are people on this site who eat calf testicles...I'd be willing to try it, but at the same time, I might have to be paid to try something like that.
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well you could try heart liver and lungs inside a sheeps stomach it's much nicer, which is for men who can be sheep, 😋 if you want but then the English would say your not being man enough, as because they think us Welshmen are sheepy timid woolly backs because of all the sheep in our hills , but we know different, so well we say you won't pull pull the wool over our eyes, because we all know your full of black pudding, which is actually dried pigs blood cooked in a frying pan m 🤩
 
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Jordon said:
well you could try heart liver and lungs inside a sheeps stomach it's much nicer, which is for men who can be sheep, 😋 if you want but then the English would say your not being man enough, as because they think us Welshmen are sheepy timid woolly backs because of all the sheep in our hills , but we know different, so well we say you won't pull pull the wool over our eyes, because we all know your full of black pudding, which is actually dried pigs blood cooked in a frying pan m 🤩
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Wow, I think I might be able to order some online possibly. I heard that if you eat animal hearts, that it's good for your heart...who knows if that is true or not but i know for sure that livers are very high in vitamins (and minerals??) I can tell that you might have a welsh accent? I think i have english and welsh in me (not 100% sure about welsh ethnicity in me)
Anyways, i'm going to give this thread a break and maybe work on the sabbath...
 
YouOnlyLiveTwice said:
Wow, I think I might be able to order some online possibly. I heard that if you eat animal hearts, that it's good for your heart...who knows if that is true or not but i know for sure that livers are very high in vitamins (and minerals??) I can tell that you might have a welsh accent? I think i have english and welsh in me (not 100% sure about welsh ethnicity in me)
Anyways, i'm going to give this thread a break and maybe work on the sabbath...
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ok it's called traditional Scottish haggis have a nice Sabbath,
 
Hakawaka said:
I prefer to stay outside of the whole system.

Safe to say, protestants are no longer protesting anything. Representatives of pretty much every mainstream protestant church have been seen shaking the Pope's hand.
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Representatives don’t represent Christians; they represent organizations. ;)
 
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NewLifeInChrist said:
I'm not a member of the reformed movement. And I'm not sure what you are ferring to when you ask "where does that put us". What is "that"?
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seem to remember there is 39 books in the old and 27 in the new,

Where does the word reformed fit in here ?
 
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