Do you know what your protesting

[rewriter]

Titus 1:9 He must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it.

Titus 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

1 Tim 6:3 If anyone advocates a different doctrine, and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, 5 and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.

1 Tim 1:8 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers – and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the glorious gospel of the Blessed God, which He entrusted to me.

2 Jn 1:9 Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. 11 Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

Doctrine. It's kind of important.

Yes, doctrine can be important. Wasting time over a rough doctrinal equivalent of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is not. I see lots of scripture posted without explanation of relevance to a given topic. I see scripture misused, when with some careful study it says something other than what itis being used to support, and people acting offended if they get called on such behavior. That is pure waste of time on what is called "doctrine" and is actually self-aggrandizement.

By the way, what was Paul's specific gospel that he needed approved since the acceptance of the Gentiles was made clear previously even in Acts, as was acting outside the Mosaic law, and that Gentiles could be accepted without them having to follow the Mosaic law was documented in the Dead Sea Scrolls? Unless that question can be answered, with clear support from the scriptures, you might be misrepresenting some of the passages you cited. And here bear in mind that it certainly appears that at least two gospels were changed from their original texts, but exactly how is unclear (textual criticism to use the academic term).

 

[rewriter]

seem to remember there is 39 books in the old and 27 in the new,

Where does the word reformed fit in here ?

There are 39 books in the old and 27 in the new in the Protestant Bible. That says nothing about some of the other Christian bibles. And the Protestant old is based on the official Jewish bible, which might have been made official because it was the text least used in the NT of the three main available texts. It was declared the official text only in the early 90's CE by Jews, and rejected some works clearly used by Christians. And Christians would not formally accept the present version for another 300 years, again rejecting some texts that seem to have been referenced by NT writers.

 

[Watchman22]

ok you may have asked me this before but I may of been busy

Give me the link and I'll have a look.

I don't know how to give links. I'll just bump them onto the main page.

 

[Jordon]

I don't know how to give links. I'll just bump them onto the main page.

ok well thanks for taking time to watch the sermons, I'll look at your links, but as im it understanding, your research you've been doing is having a better understanding about having a better understanding of faith ? or is there more to your reach and that, just so i know when I take time to read your research when I'm looking at it. I know exactly your intension behind the research

 

[Watchman22]

ok well I have a confession to make, It's not that I've always known the belief of others , it's just that I've always felt in my heart for a long time something to be true , that what I believe is true, but there in the background was something that needed answering, to my amazement I've since discovered my church fathers beliefs in its fullness of my beliefs, but one thing was missing , but I have to say it's not something I have complete belief in and on my own accord, it more of an ingrained belief from my parents, but that should not take away from my most recent discovery that actually my most recent discovery, completely quenched my thirst that all that I was believing was true, but again it's not on the bases of what a nother person believes individually, but on the bases of multiple beliefs, all coming to a point of belief, in believing that the other hundred beliefs made my final belief true.

But again it's also down to fact of testing all those beliefs with his word, in looking for assurance to see if all the beliefs where true.

So with this I ask the question.

It is possible a person can have full assurance there faith is justified ?

Foget about belief Jordan, it's all about faith and faithing. A commitment, fulfilled by a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender, (Vines pisteuo definition).

Once the surrendered life is tested and accepted by Him, your beliefs are under His control and become second nature.

Check out the 2 threads I bumped.

 

[Watchman22]

ok well thanks for taking time to watch the sermons, I'll look at your links, but as im it understanding, your research you've been doing is having a better understanding about having a better understanding of faith ? or is there more to your reach and that, just so i know when I take time to read your research when I'm looking at it. I know exactly your intension behind the research

Nothing I'm showing you is my opinion, all simple facts.

 

[Rob7]

The main reason protestant faith was formed, was in reactions, to do with arguments on how does a sinner find salvation in Christ.

The main reason is because we can have justification by faith alone. And the reformation side believing it's this article in which the church stands or falls, that this understanding teaches the very core of salvation.

I agree, the fundamental realization of Martin Luther that led to the Protestant Reformation and realization of the RCC being Anti-Christ, was "Justification by Faith" rather than the RCC's salvation by works and money. Along with the RCC replacing Jesus as our mediator with Mary and their priests in a box, which is blasphemy, claiming the prerogatives of God

... actually taking Jesus out of the picture, (anti-Christ) and corruption of the Gospel, eg. Sunday Sabbath, the state of the dead, purgatory, justification by works, the sanctuary message, the Pope claiming to be God on earth, "Alter Christus, of priests =( Another Christ), etc,etc. Literally a pagonized (spirit of Satan) Christianity. The papacy changed the law of God, God's 10 Commandments and his biblical (times) prophecies. Altering the understanding of Bible Prophecy. to align with their theological doctrines, IE, Pre-trib Rapture.
Daniel 7:25 states that the Anti-Christ will "think to change times and laws,"

And the question is. All we have to question is faith founded by Catholics.

We "Christ believing Christians, believing Christ when he pointed out the Papacy as Antichrist, the agent of Satan, in conjunction with the "False Prophet" of Rev 13. "The Dragon, The Antichrist & The False Prophet"

I don't see Catholicism, as " faith founded on the Bible, but as faith in the Pope as god, and HIS WORD, Satan's agent on Earth, just as Satan, is the spiritual Lord of this world, for believers of the anti-Christ.

Of course, this is a deception by Satan, deceiving the millions of Catholics, who are not reading their Bibles for themselves, but believing what Priest are telling them.

So why should protesting theology be seen as the whore of babylon
Btw protesting means also questioning theology

In Revelation 17:5, the "mother of harlots" is described as Babylon, symbolizing an apostate religious system that has led nations into sin through her false teachings and oppressive actions. The Catholic Church, particularly because of its historical role in enforcing doctrines that deviated from biblical teachings and its unholy alliance with political powers.

• Spiritual Babylon: The early Christian church, under persecution from Rome, often referred to the city of Rome as Babylon. Over time, the church of Rome became associated with this term due to its apostasy and the persecution of true believers. The Catholic Church's teachings, such as its claim to modify divine law (e.g., changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday), align with the corrupt practices described in the book of Revelation .
• 
  
• Doctrine of the Papacy: Christ Believers view the papacy as the "man of sin" or "man of lawlessness" described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. This figure is associated with the claim of supremacy over all Christians and the assertion of infallibility, both of which conflict with the teachings of Christ and the authority of the Scriptures. The papacy’s role in persecuting those who disagreed with its doctrines is seen as the fulfillment of the prophetic warnings of Revelation.
• 
  
• The Fall of Babylon: In Revelation 14:8, it is prophesied that Babylon has fallen because she has caused the nations to drink of the wine of her fornication, representing her false teachings and the church’s illicit relationship with the state. This prophecy refers to the Catholic Church’s corrupt practices and its eventual downfall, which is linked to the final crisis of true worship. The message in Revelation 18:4, calling God's people to come out of Babylon, is seen as an appeal to separate from the false teachings of the Catholic Church and other apostate religious systems ( IE. Futurism & Dispensationalism )
• 
  
• Historical Persecution: The 1260 years of persecution ( 42 months of years) during which the papacy used both ecclesiastical and political power to oppress dissenters. This period is often linked to the "beast" of Revelation, a system of church-state union that sought to enforce its decrees globally. The fall of Babylon is seen as both a spiritual and physical event, wherein the true followers of Christ are urged to resist this apostasy and stand firm for God’s Word.
• 
  
• This can be seen TODAY as the Catholic Church, is uniting Church and State, to fulfill her prophesied "Image of the Beast" of
• Revelation 13:15 (KJV) which states:
  “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause (legislation) that as many as would not worship the image ( Sunday worship) of the beast should be killed.”
• 
  
• The Papacy aligns with the prophetic symbols of Babylon and the Whore of Babylon. These teachings, steeped in historical apostasy and persecution, are seen as fulfilling the prophecies of Revelation, calling for believers to reject false systems, false doctrines, eg. Sunday worship, etc and adhere strictly to biblical truth.

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[Rob7]

Representatives don’t represent Christians; they represent organizations.

... and representatives, represent organizations of Christians and their particular doctrines,
even if you say you are none denominational.

You will still be known by your "fruits" .. whether you be of Christ, or the anti-Christ... whether you talk and act like Christ, ( Having the Righteousness of Christ ) or the deceiver of mankind. ( Satan's character of un-righteousness ) We can know who YOU stand with, by what you promote as doctrine. eg. Sunday worship ... or God's Sabbath

 

[Jordon]

I agree, the fundamental realization of Martin Luther that led to the Protestant Reformation and realization of the RCC being Anti-Christ, was "Justification by Faith" rather than the RCC's salvation by works and money. Along with the RCC replacing Jesus as our mediator with Mary and their priests in a box, which is blasphemy, claiming the prerogatives of God

... actually taking Jesus out of the picture, (anti-Christ) and corruption of the Gospel, eg. Sunday Sabbath, the state of the dead, purgatory, justification by works, the sanctuary message, the Pope claiming to be God on earth, "Alter Christus, of priests =( Another Christ), etc,etc. Literally a pagonized (spirit of Satan) Christianity. The papacy changed the law of God, God's 10 Commandments and his biblical (times) prophecies. Altering the understanding of Bible Prophecy. to align with their theological doctrines, IE, Pre-trib Rapture.
Daniel 7:25 states that the Anti-Christ will "think to change times and laws,"



We "Christ believing Christians, believing Christ when he pointed out the Papacy as Antichrist, the agent of Satan, in conjunction with the "False Prophet" of Rev 13. "The Dragon, The Antichrist & The False Prophet"

I don't see Catholicism, as " faith founded on the Bible, but as faith in the Pope as god, and HIS WORD, Satan's agent on Earth, just as Satan, is the spiritual Lord of this world, for believers of the anti-Christ.

Of course, this is a deception by Satan, deceiving the millions of Catholics, who are not reading their Bibles for themselves, but believing what Priest are telling them.


In Revelation 17:5, the "mother of harlots" is described as Babylon, symbolizing an apostate religious system that has led nations into sin through her false teachings and oppressive actions. The Catholic Church, particularly because of its historical role in enforcing doctrines that deviated from biblical teachings and its unholy alliance with political powers.

• Spiritual Babylon: The early Christian church, under persecution from Rome, often referred to the city of Rome as Babylon. Over time, the church of Rome became associated with this term due to its apostasy and the persecution of true believers. The Catholic Church's teachings, such as its claim to modify divine law (e.g., changing the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday), align with the corrupt practices described in the book of Revelation .
• 
  
• Doctrine of the Papacy: Christ Believers view the papacy as the "man of sin" or "man of lawlessness" described in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4. This figure is associated with the claim of supremacy over all Christians and the assertion of infallibility, both of which conflict with the teachings of Christ and the authority of the Scriptures. The papacy’s role in persecuting those who disagreed with its doctrines is seen as the fulfillment of the prophetic warnings of Revelation.
• 
  
• The Fall of Babylon: In Revelation 14:8, it is prophesied that Babylon has fallen because she has caused the nations to drink of the wine of her fornication, representing her false teachings and the church’s illicit relationship with the state. This prophecy refers to the Catholic Church’s corrupt practices and its eventual downfall, which is linked to the final crisis of true worship. The message in Revelation 18:4, calling God's people to come out of Babylon, is seen as an appeal to separate from the false teachings of the Catholic Church and other apostate religious systems ( IE. Futurism & Dispensationalism )
• 
  
• Historical Persecution: The 1260 years of persecution ( 42 months of years) during which the papacy used both ecclesiastical and political power to oppress dissenters. This period is often linked to the "beast" of Revelation, a system of church-state union that sought to enforce its decrees globally. The fall of Babylon is seen as both a spiritual and physical event, wherein the true followers of Christ are urged to resist this apostasy and stand firm for God’s Word.
• 
  
• This can be seen TODAY as the Catholic Church, is uniting Church and State, to fulfill her prophesied "Image of the Beast" of
• Revelation 13:15 (KJV) which states:
  “And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause (legislation) that as many as would not worship the image ( Sunday worship) of the beast should be killed.”
• 
  
• The Papacy aligns with the prophetic symbols of Babylon and the Whore of Babylon. These teachings, steeped in historical apostasy and persecution, are seen as fulfilling the prophecies of Revelation, calling for believers to reject false systems, false doctrines, eg. Sunday worship, etc and adhere strictly to biblical truth.

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I know our faith isn't founded by Catholics, I meant Our reformation was a result of the catholics theology used from the Latin Vulgate.

There may well be some hidden evil to under the service, but all that will be uncovered one day when the lord wipes away all tears, I do know Catholics to, and there not really into any of the politics, and just follow there faith, believing what there doing is right, the people for most part is not the issue,

The issue is having complete assurance,

 

[Rob7]

I know our faith isn't founded by Catholics, I meant Our reformation was a result of the catholics theology used from the Latin Vulgate.

The issue is having complete assurance,

The ultimate issue is having the Righteousness of Christ, which is obedience to the Father. without which you have NO assurance in Salvation. Rather than following after the RCC doctrines, which are traditions of disobedience to God and His Word, supported by the premeditated corruptions of the Word in the Vulgate and Codex Vaticanus.

 

[Jordon]

The ultimate issue is having the Righteousness of Christ, which is obedience to the Father. without which you have NO assurance in Salvation. Rather than following after the RCC doctrines, which are traditions of disobedience to God and His Word, supported by the premeditated corruptions of the Word in the Vulgate and Codex Vaticanus.

For most part and most people in this world there following some kind of theology that's linked to catholic theology in the cores beliefs of salvation.

So I can't see that telling people to not follow them is going to cut it some how.

What we have is many denominations that are really just reformed out of different Catholic theologies, on the core tenants of how a believer receives salvation.

And what we really have is a load of denomination that are really just Catholic evangelical evangelising with reformed Catholic theologies, to do with the core tenets of salvation.

You may not like to hear it but it's true,

 

[Rob7]

There may well be some hidden evil to under the service, but all that will be uncovered one day when the lord wipes away all tears, I do know Catholics to, and are not really into any of the politics, and just follow there faith, believing what there doing is right, the people for most part is not the issue,

I agree... the issue isn't with the Catholic people .. they are being deceived just as we are ....

They and we are not into "politics" because we don't see the relationship, of the anti-Christ ( The RCC) with the "Kings of the World" our politicians, kings, princes, dictators, ETC... who will, bring about the "Mark of the Beast" to determine who will stay on Christ's side, or who will be on the side of This World, with Satan, The Beast (the Antichrist) (Rev 12 &13) and the False Prophet. Matthew 7:15,
Deuteronomy 13:1–5, Revelation 19:20 , Matthew 24:24, 2 Peter 2:1–3

 

[Rob7]

For most part and most people in this world there following some kind of theology that's linked to catholic theology in the cores beliefs of salvation.

So I can't see that telling people to not follow them is going to cut it some how.

What we have is many denominations that are really just reformed out of different Catholic theologies, on the core tenants of how a believer receives salvation.

And what we really have is a load of denomination that are really just Catholic evangelical evangelising with reformed Catholic theologies, to do with the core tenets of salvation.

You may not like to hear it but it's true,

That's all very true.
And my ministry as a Christ believing, follower of Jesus and His Righteousness, is to TEACH. to enlighten as many nominal Christians of the Truth, of this deceived world's perception of what Christianity Truly is, in relation to actual, practical Christianity, that can have "Blessed Assurance" in our salvation, by knowing that;
Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

"Christ lives in me:" by His Holy Spirit ... Christ and HIS Righteousness, ... LOVE ...which is His obedience to the Father, in ALL things, including His Ten Commandments, which the world so rebelliously wants to ignore, ( to SIN) to there ultimate perdition and damnation.

Y'all have a blessed nite, now ... bye
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[Citizen]

Yes, doctrine can be important. Wasting time over a rough doctrinal equivalent of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is not...

There is no "can be important". It IS absolutely important, period, and you're distracting and minimizing its importance with red herrings like "angels on the head of a pin" debates, which has nothing to do with anything here.

 

[Jordon]

I agree... the issue isn't with the Catholic people .. they are being deceived just as we are ....

They and we are not into "politics" because we don't see the relationship, of the anti-Christ ( The RCC) with the "Kings of the World" our politicians, kings, princes, dictators, ETC... who will, bring about the "Mark of the Beast" to determine who will stay on Christ's side, or who will be on the side of This World, with Satan, The Beast (the Antichrist) (Rev 12 &13) and the False Prophet. Matthew 7:15,
Deuteronomy 13:1–5, Revelation 19:20 , Matthew 24:24, 2 Peter 2:1–3

I'll put all that Stuff in Gods hands,
I often wonder why God hasn't just ended it all by now, on the bases that there's are things we may not know. But I know it's because God isn't finished yet. That's thought alone gives me peace alone, that God will deal with it in one way or another one day.

His children are not soft they know what's going on.

There definitely something wrong with the RCC that's for sure, but why publish the work of Christ ? If there run by satan ?


How do you know the beast wont rise out of a Muslim church





,

 

[Jordon]

That's all very true.
And my ministry as a Christ believing, follower of Jesus and His Righteousness, is to TEACH. to enlighten as many nominal Christians of the Truth, of this deceived world's perception of what Christianity Truly is, in relation to actual, practical Christianity, that can have "Blessed Assurance" in our salvation, by knowing that;
Gal 2:20
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ lives in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

"Christ lives in me:" by His Holy Spirit ... Christ and HIS Righteousness, ... LOVE ...which is His obedience to the Father, in ALL things, including His Ten Commandments, which the world so rebelliously wants to ignore, ( to SIN) to there ultimate perdition and damnation.

Y'all have a blessed nite, now ... bye
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you to you friend

 

[Citizen]

There definitely something wrong with the RCC that's for sure, but why publish the work of Christ ? If there run by satan ?

The most effective deceptions are the ones disguised as truth. Never underestimate the power of deception through false doctrine.

 

[Jordon]

The most effective deceptions are the ones disguised as truth. Never underestimate the power of deception through false doctrine.

yep I agree with that, thats the real issue I guess, that there doctrines could be satanic

 

[rewriter]

There is no "can be important". It IS absolutely important, period, and you're distracting and minimizing its importance with red herrings like "angels on the head of a pin" debates, which has nothing to do with anything here.

Please point out what is absolutely correct doctrine and please support such a claim with unambiguous scripture. And on that point, please remember that the two plausibly earliest gospels appear to have been edited to add a physical resurrection, Luke admits to not being an eyewitness, Matthew appears to be largely dependent on Mark, so not reliable either and Paul is ambiguous as to just what he saw when he saw the risen Christ. Such is the evidence against a physical resurrection being unambiguous but in favor of it being supported only by faith.

 

[Jordon]

The most effective deceptions are the ones disguised as truth. Never underestimate the power of deception through false doctrine.

well I question the RCC understanding of grace, RC Sproul whom I believe because I really don't think he's about himself, he was a teacher for years and he's a lovely man , he says the RCC are very careful to say that grace isn't a material, but they make out grace is some of kind of substance that can reside in the soul that can either decrease or increase.

Where as our reformed faith believe grace is an action of God that saves us.

I would like to know where the RCC gets there understanding.