Discussion on the End Times
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Translation.
"Never unpack anything."
I have given solid scripture.
My view is off of scripture.
Your stalling,and unable to engage
As previously stated no pre-trib rapture is seen as you claimed.
Hint, (The Kingdoms Of This World) is this present Earth.
As runningman stated, hard to take you serious, something so basic a 1st grader could understand it, are you serious or on a troll?
Revelation 11:12-15KJV
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
You;
" Talk, More Scripture
"When You Make A Claim, Provide Scripture To Support Your Claim."
Proof you can not defend your position.
You posted the verses.
You know where the debate is ,but your deal falls on its face.
All I have to do is press you guys just a little and your false narrative falls apart.
AGAIN
WHERE IS IT THAT NOAH SND LOT ESCAPED(AS YOU PROCLAIM) POST JUDGEMENT.
it is so bad on your part/belief that NOAH RETURNED POST JUDGEMENT.
TRULY a pretrib dynamic.
All in heaven
The bema depicted in heaven
The kingdom becoming God's is a declaration.
I have no problem with that declaration.
It does not erase the dynamic you need erased
Your in a fairytale of denial
Noah entered the ark, and it rained 40 days and nights
Lot was removed by the Angel's from Sodom, and it rained Fire and brimstone from Heaven.
It was immediate, not a 7 year Tribulation then destruction.
As Luke 17:29-30 explains, when Jesus Christ is (Revealed) the world gets (Smoked)
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in Scripture, 1 Cor 15:51-54 & 1 Thess 4:14-17 is nothing more than the 2nd coming last day resurrection, when death is swallowed up in victory.
You and dispensationalism Falsely teach it's a pre-trib rapture, 100% (False)
I have no idea why you postribbers pull that.
YOU INVOKED LAHAYE.
YOU INVOKED HIM.
YOU OWN IT.
Still can not read Jesus words.
HE SAID "BEFORE THE FLOOD"
You reframe it .
Almost the next verse is one taken/left.
Stop acting like it is not there.
We both agree he returns postrib.
Rev 19 has that return with the bride that has become the wife.
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You write;"Your in a fairytale of denial"
Then
"Lot was removed by the Angel's from Sodom, and it rained Fire and brimstone from Heaven."
Too funny.
Yes you are correct.
Jesus framed the rapture in a prejudgement dynamic.
Too funny
Lol
You write;"Your in a fairytale of denial"
Then
"Lot was removed by the Angel's from Sodom, and it rained Fire and brimstone from Heaven."
Too funny.
Yes you are correct.
Jesus framed the rapture in a prejudgement dynamic.
Too funny
Remember we are talking "rapture"
The confusion of you guys is trying to cram the rapture in with the second coming at the end of the 7 year gt.
Will not fit
....no matter how big a hammer you pull out.
The confusion of you guys is trying to cram the rapture in with the second coming at the end of the 7 year gt.
Will not fit
....no matter how big a hammer you pull out.
"There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in Scripture"
You are kinda close regarding the no such rapture claim.
That is why you can not reconcile a single verse/dynamic I have laid out.
And why there is no such postrib rapture found anywhere.
None
You are kinda close regarding the no such rapture claim.
That is why you can not reconcile a single verse/dynamic I have laid out.
And why there is no such postrib rapture found anywhere.
None
You cant provide one verse that shows a pre-trib rapture, not one!
There is no such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in Scripture, 1 Cor 15:51-54 & 1 Thess 4:14-17 that you claim is a pre-trib rapture, is nothing more than the 2nd coming, last day resurrection, when death is swallowed up in victory. (The End)
Now you need al earths inhabitants destroyed????
What for????
How you come up with that?
All that second battle a thousand yr later with satan army destroyed and the devil is just filler?
You keep invoking him.
Is lying part of your deal?
Either engage me or go play games somewhere else.
Try to make a sentence without your non sense
You are not very old are you?
I posted a partial list.
You futilely tried to address the noah/lot prejudgement dynamic.
Then you went back to silly nothing burgers.
All general side issues..
No substantial points.
Nothing.
Note I am not going there with your juvenile extra biblical shots.
Take a look at rev 14.
A rapture(catching up) during the gt.
Note you can not reconcile that with a postrib rapture.
Postrib rapture WILL NOT FIT.
You now have the dead must rise AFTER the rev 14 gathering.
Oooops
No pre-trib rapture in Rev 14, none
The scripture below shows the second coming, and the Lords fire in Judgement, nothing new.
Next!
Revelation 14:14-19KJV
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.
You can't approach the word with preconceived notions.i was saved in an amil fellowship. They taught that we are in the mil.
Once I started reading,it was obvious that the rapture was pretrib. and future.
That was 1977.
I have studied ever since.
Studied postrib as well.
I strictly study the rapture through heavens prism,which is bride/groom centered.
If another prism is used then not only will many verses never be placed on the table,but purpose and harmony is lost.
That is why other positions are shallow and mental.
No harmony, so verses are ignored or sidestepped.
Purpose is lost and the pretrib verses are reframed.
Not a good mixture.
Once I started reading,it was obvious that the rapture was pretrib. and future.
That was 1977.
I have studied ever since.
Studied postrib as well.
I strictly study the rapture through heavens prism,which is bride/groom centered.
If another prism is used then not only will many verses never be placed on the table,but purpose and harmony is lost.
That is why other positions are shallow and mental.
No harmony, so verses are ignored or sidestepped.
Purpose is lost and the pretrib verses are reframed.
Not a good mixture.