Did Jesus save those who ultimately hated Him?

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lrs68

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Intersection said:
Saul did not ultimately hate Jesus; Saul was ultimately converted.
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How about we ask what the Theologians, Scholars, and general Preachers have to say about it:

Yes, the biblical figure of Saul, later known as Paul, is described as initially harboring hatred for Jesus and his followers. He actively persecuted Christians, believing they were a threat to his understanding of Jewish law and tradition.

The consensus is claiming had there been no conversion and no Damascus Road experience Saul would have never changed because of his hatred towards Jesus.

So whether or not you accept the truth doesn't matter because Saul hated Jesus.
 
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lrs68 said:
The other Disciples like Peter called him Paul so he did stop using the Yiddish version of Saul.
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Yes, but it wasn't a name change like Simon/Peter, Abram/Abraham or Jacob/Israel. I don't think Yiddish existed in New Testament times. I think it began in the 9th century.
 
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Brasspen said:
You say ultimately, not hate, but ultimately hate. There is the pariable about the wheat field and the tares. We don't know who will be saved and who will not.
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But we do know that only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved. If someone hates Jesus, they are not going to believe on Him (They may well believe in His existence, but they won't trust Him as their Saviour).
 
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lrs68 said:
How about we ask what the Theologians, Scholars, and general Preachers have to say about it:

Yes, the biblical figure of Saul, later known as Paul, is described as initially harboring hatred for Jesus and his followers. He actively persecuted Christians, believing they were a threat to his understanding of Jewish law and tradition.

The consensus is claiming had there been no conversion and no Damascus Road experience Saul would have never changed because of his hatred towards Jesus.

So whether or not you accept the truth doesn't matter because Saul hated Jesus.
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Saul ultimately loved Jesus.
 
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Dino246 said:
No, they distinctly did not. Your knowledge and understanding of Scripture is inadequate for you to make any claims as to its content.
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Do you believe that those who ultimately hate Jesus go to heaven or do you believe they go to hell?
 
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Saul ultimately loved Jesus.
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Paul did but not Saul and that is 100% Bible proof that you are rejecting.
Therefore, by rejecting Bible proof actually could make you a hater of God if we were using the guidelines that you have presented throughout this thread.
 
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So, when God is "All in all" He is in the sinners and demons being forever tormented. Got it. Good luck with that, Sparky. (y)
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You actually just said God is in the sinners and demons being forever tormented. :mad: You are a fool.

Luke 23:34
And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But they, dividing his garments, cast lots.
 
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You actually just said God is in the sinners and demons being forever tormented. :mad: You are a fool.

Luke 23:34
And Jesus said: Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But they, dividing his garments, cast lots.
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Aw. You're sweet.

No, you're saying, by believing Hell and sinners suffer forever in the Lake of Fire, that God is in THEM.

These are the conditions of the end of the age:

This is in 1 Corinthians 15

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.

This is just explaining the context of what Paul is about to write.

23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.

So, there is an order of things: First Christ and then those who are in Christ at His 2nd Coming. This is the appearing of believers with Him in the air when Christ comes back.

Then comes the end,

This is the end of this age or era. All that has been has led up to this point. Paul then examines the nuances of the end of this era.

when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.

The "He" here is Christ. He reigns until He has put all enemies under His feet. He then delivers ALL up to God the Father.

26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.

Death is destroyed when he is cast into the Lake of Fire.

27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him,

Paul makes sure that the believers know that, when Paul wrote "all things under Christ's feet" he did not mean God the Father. The next line is crucial:

that God may be all in all.

At the end, when all is complete, God is all in all.

If YOU conclude that the devil, sinners, and his angels are still around, YOU are putting God in the devil, sinners and demons. I don't do that. I know they are destroyed. That is the only way God can be "all in all" at the end of this era.

BTW: there is no need to apologize for disparaging me. When you get older you'll get a better handle on your emotions and you'll think before you act. That's a good thing about maturity: we put away childish things.
 
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