Did Jesus save those who ultimately hated Him?

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lrs68

lrs68

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Intersection said:
Saul did not ultimately hate Jesus; Saul was ultimately converted.
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How about we ask what the Theologians, Scholars, and general Preachers have to say about it:

Yes, the biblical figure of Saul, later known as Paul, is described as initially harboring hatred for Jesus and his followers. He actively persecuted Christians, believing they were a threat to his understanding of Jewish law and tradition.

The consensus is claiming had there been no conversion and no Damascus Road experience Saul would have never changed because of his hatred towards Jesus.

So whether or not you accept the truth doesn't matter because Saul hated Jesus.
 
DavidLamb

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lrs68 said:
The other Disciples like Peter called him Paul so he did stop using the Yiddish version of Saul.
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Yes, but it wasn't a name change like Simon/Peter, Abram/Abraham or Jacob/Israel. I don't think Yiddish existed in New Testament times. I think it began in the 9th century.
 
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Brasspen said:
You say ultimately, not hate, but ultimately hate. There is the pariable about the wheat field and the tares. We don't know who will be saved and who will not.
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But we do know that only those who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ are saved. If someone hates Jesus, they are not going to believe on Him (They may well believe in His existence, but they won't trust Him as their Saviour).
 
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lrs68 said:
How about we ask what the Theologians, Scholars, and general Preachers have to say about it:

Yes, the biblical figure of Saul, later known as Paul, is described as initially harboring hatred for Jesus and his followers. He actively persecuted Christians, believing they were a threat to his understanding of Jewish law and tradition.

The consensus is claiming had there been no conversion and no Damascus Road experience Saul would have never changed because of his hatred towards Jesus.

So whether or not you accept the truth doesn't matter because Saul hated Jesus.
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Saul ultimately loved Jesus.
 
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Dino246 said:
No, they distinctly did not. Your knowledge and understanding of Scripture is inadequate for you to make any claims as to its content.
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Do you believe that those who ultimately hate Jesus go to heaven or do you believe they go to hell?
 
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