Did God create people for Hell on purpose?

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GWH said:
The key to understanding people is discerning how they differ from animals, which is by having God-consciousness and moral conscience or the ability to choose to between qualitatively opposite moral options (MFW): good and evil.

These options are opposite because of the qualitatively opposite consequences for choosing them: choosing good results in blessing/heaven and choosing evil results in misery/hell.

It is not God's intentional will for humans to make the theoretical option of evil actual by choosing it, but God knew that would happen and had a plan of salvation from the beginning that culminated with the crucifixion of Christ, who atoned for the sins of humanity IF they believe in Him as Messiah and the Lord incarnate.
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In the Hebrew, it is revealed that animals have souls.
Even their bodies were also from the dust of the earth.
Genesis 2:19

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. ​
He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called ​
each living creature, that was its name ​

What makes man unique in his soul?
Our soul, it says, was created in God's image.
Animal souls were not.

grace and peace....
 
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Genez said:
What makes man unique in his soul?
Our soul, it says, was created in God's image.
Animal souls were not.

grace and peace....
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This here also means, we have a mind like God. Although I don't believe we are as smart as him.
 
It was written in the old testament, That God said he first established Wisdom and Knowledge before he did anything else. That would mean to me, that at one time there was stuff that God didn't know. And he spent time learning it before he formed the worlds.
 
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When reading Biblical examples of people doing wrong I first and foremost look at my own life. I look at the times I have sinned. I look at the temptations that I didn't ignore that led to my sin. I look at my entire thought process from initial temptation until I just did the sin.

Nowhere in any of that suggestive bartering stood God encouraging me to do the sin.

I happily did it all by myself and for myself.


So what is different between what I have done versus someone I read in the Bible who I wonder they might have gone to Hell?

I Repented!
I Prayed and sought forgiveness!
I was proactive in changing the situation I had just created.

From some examples in the Bible they did not Repent like king Saul for example. He could have but refused to.

So I cannot see God creating human beings for the sole purpose of filling up the corridors of Hell.

I see human beings rejecting the opportunity and chance to seek forgiveness.

Therefore, human beings send themselves to Hell!
 
God created people in His image, sin - in the mechanism of the ever increasing entropy - sends people to hell. God's purpose is salvation. John 3:16-17 should've made this clear - Jesus came to save the world, not to condemn the world.
 
Did God create people for Hell on purpose?
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No...

If God did this then the following inspired Word of God would be a Lie..

(2 Peter 3:9) "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."
 
Genez said:
In the Hebrew, it is revealed that animals have souls.
Even their bodies were also from the dust of the earth.
Genesis 2:19

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. ​
He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called ​
each living creature, that was its name ​

What makes man unique in his soul?
Our soul, it says, was created in God's image.
Animal souls were not.

grace and peace....
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Yes, and what did RBT say "created in God's image" means?
 
The word that says, "Knows all things." I think is misunderstood. Yes we have witnessed Prophets and also Jesus using the gift of prophecy. Certainly God can know future events, but is it really 100%. Does God really have in he's mind every leaf from every tree, keeping eye on it so he can watch it fall just as predicted? Or is it the same as we seen with Jesus, who looked into the matter and then knew. "...And Jesus Marveled..."

Can you imagine what your life would be like if you knew 100% every event that was to take place. Why would it matter to you anymore? I believe that when God makes a plan, that sometimes it don't work like he wanted, "The weakness is not with God, it's with Man."

I think we seen it manifest before, in the new testament, the gift of prophecy.

Edit: And further,

Matthew 8:9-8:10

{8:9} For I am a man under authority, having
soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth;
and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant,
Do this, and he doeth [it. ]{8:10} When Jesus heard [it,] he
marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto
you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel

That's also what I think about Omni presence, is God has those who represent himself. Angels, Generals, Governors.
 
Brasspen said:
The word that says, "Knows all things." I think is misunderstood. Yes we have witnessed Prophets and also Jesus using the gift of prophecy. Certainly God can know future events, but is it really 100%. Does God really have in he's mind every leaf from every tree, keeping eye on it so he can watch it fall just as predicted? Or is it the same as we seen with Jesus, who looked into the matter and then knew. "...And Jesus Marveled..."

Can you imagine what your life would be like if you knew 100% every event that was to take place. Why would it matter to you anymore? I believe that when God makes a plan, that sometimes it don't work like he wanted, "The weakness is not with God, it's with Man."

I think we seen it manifest before, in the new testament, the gift of prophecy.

Edit: And further,

Matthew 8:9-8:10

{8:9} For I am a man under authority, having
soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth;
and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant,
Do this, and he doeth [it. ]{8:10} When Jesus heard [it,] he
marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto
you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel

That's also what I think about Omni presence, is God has those who represent himself. Angels, Generals, Governors.
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God is not a prophet. He is the creator of prophets. He sees everything because He is everywhere. He can be everywhere because He is spirit. He knows all of the future and past because He is not on the same timeline as us. He created our timeline in the beginning. He had no beginning. He sees our entire timeline at once. Our timeline is one single timeline beginning to end no forks.
 
Genez said:
Not sure what you are getting at.
The body is not even the cause, nor issue....

It is the soul that was created in God's image.

Man and woman do not produce the soul.
God does that.
Man and woman only provide a body for a soul.

When God created man in His image, in Genesis 1:27?
No human body for the soul yet existed.

Omniscience knows how each soul will ultimately choose.
Each soul, when created through, and for Jesus, was created without knowing by Jesus how that soul would choose.
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A little confused, Didn't God breathe into Adam and Adam became a living Soul before the fall, the eating of that tree, willingly?

Did not God's Spirit leave the first Adam after he ate from that tree with Eve? Not his Soul! to me anyways.

Since, then every person is born first without the Spirit of God's lead, only having the knowledge of good (God) and evil, Ha Satan, desiring to be God to be happening through them. Is that true? To me it is. Only one choice left after the cross, To believe God personally in risen Son for you and for all also. Or choose, self and religion(s) to find truth and continue to be not knowing truth over error, hell, here still on earth

Now, we all each, have the free choice to choose God or self even others to be under them too, correct?
Who is your leader?
God Father and Son as Won for you to respond to God for you?, In thanksgiving and praise.
Or, continue in your own thought experiences you have gone through to be a better person than others? Luke 18:9-14 it is the forgiveness given that frees and saves people by God and not of anything else.
I see, best to give up on me and others to see. Since God loves us all and is the revealer to it all in love and mercy of Son to all
Respond and quit creating, making up things out of scriptures. Read the whole Epistle, to get the truth form God for us Thank you
I see 1 John 2:1-27, verse 27 floored me when Father revealed that truth to me and in Phil 3 as well through Paul to us all to let go of being a better person, under Law as no one is better than anyone else. All are in different stages. To grow up unto maturity Hebrews 5:12-6:20
turn to God in your own closet, she the door and have a talk with Father, since now by Son anyone can nor enter the throne of grace done by Son fr them. WowWoe is me, I see Isaiah 6:1-7, thank you Father
No more need to have thoughts going on through me. 2 Cor 10:5-7
The work is done for us all to be new from Father as a gift to love all the same as Son has done first for us all. Wow is me
 
Brasspen said:
The word that says, "Knows all things." I think is misunderstood. Yes we have witnessed Prophets and also Jesus using the gift of prophecy. Certainly God can know future events, but is it really 100%. Does God really have in he's mind every leaf from every tree, keeping eye on it so he can watch it fall just as predicted? Or is it the same as we seen with Jesus, who looked into the matter and then knew. "...And Jesus Marveled..."

Can you imagine what your life would be like if you knew 100% every event that was to take place. Why would it matter to you anymore? I believe that when God makes a plan, that sometimes it don't work like he wanted, "The weakness is not with God, it's with Man."

I think we seen it manifest before, in the new testament, the gift of prophecy.

Edit: And further,

Matthew 8:9-8:10

{8:9} For I am a man under authority, having
soldiers under me: and I say to this [man,] Go, and he goeth;
and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant,
Do this, and he doeth [it. ]{8:10} When Jesus heard [it,] he
marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto
you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel

That's also what I think about Omni presence, is God has those who represent himself. Angels, Generals, Governors.
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I believe God knows everything per singled out item. He knows every day of a trees life, grass, fish, animal, human, etc but on a day to day basis He's concerned about the bigger picture with exception for the Saved and the Lost being transformed this very day.
 
Just_A__Follower said:
God is not a prophet. He is the creator of prophets. He sees everything because He is everywhere. He can be everywhere because He is spirit. He knows all of the future and past because He is not on the same timeline as us. He created our timeline in the beginning. He had no beginning. He sees our entire timeline at once. Our timeline is one single timeline beginning to end no forks.
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But where is this written, That God sees all events like this. And what end would there be too it, knowing the future is forever advancing. I think this thing about God's mind, has been "Assumed". We don't know the mind of God.

I think that is what the truth is, "We Do Not Know".
 
PaulThomson said:
IT says "knowing all THINGS" The future is not a THING. The future does not exist. Plans for the future exist in the present or past.
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According to your logic?
The 'past' does not exist.

Problem is....
You keep limiting God to being just like you.

How else could God have had John write Revelation, unless He sees and knows the future?
In sections of the Scriptures, it was written about a future event as something which already exists.
Yes... God does not think like us.

God does not require that we understand how.
God requires that we believe it = faith.

"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."

Hebrews 11:1

Faith!​
 
Certainly God can look into matters and know future events. But I think it's selective. There may be something he might want to know, then finds out what will happen.
 
When God created things in the beginning they were very good, so no I don't think he made people for hell. Adam and Eve were among those things very good and it was inevitable that they were going to have offspring. it started as very good, and things were very good when God did the creating, it was only after that the possibility of hell entered into reality for sinners. God wanted something in the beginning that wasn't possible because of Satan's rebellion and temptation of Eve, if it weren't for that we would ostensibly be living our lives with no possibility of going to hell since there would be no sin. We were created for that reality, but it wasn't possible.
 
When Jesus seen a blind man, he's deciples asked him a question bout if the man or he's parents sinned. Jesus said he was made blind to show the works of God. But I think this scripture is misunderstood.

I don't think Jesus said God made him blind for the purpose of having him be used for showing the works of God. I think, Jesus said, "What I am going to do is use him to show the works of God."

Matthew 9:1-9:7

{9:1} And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was
blind from [his] birth. {9:2} And his disciples asked him,
saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he
was born blind? {9:3} Jesus answered, Neither hath this
man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God
should be made manifest in him. {9:4} I must work the
works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh,
when no man can work. {9:5} As long as I am in the world,
I am the light of the world. {9:6} When he had thus spoken,
he spat on the ground, and made clay of the spittle, and he
anointed the eyes of the blind man with the clay, {9:7} And
said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by
interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and
washed, and came seeing.
 
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