Why should you or I have to say "God is outside of time," if God doesn't say that in scripture, but extra-biblical Greek and Roman metaphysics says that?
Did God create people for Hell on purpose?
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THINK. How can God set two possible futures before Israel? What if Israel chose a third option?
If, by this you mean that if God does not know all the future, then neither is He fully righteous, then you would need to show some logical steps connecting those two premises.
God clearly changes His plans, if we change our attitudes.
Isa 1:16
Wash you, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil;
Isa 1:17
Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
Isa 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20
But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
God predicted destruction of Nineveh, based on their present moral trajectory. But they repented, changed their trajectory, and His word did not happen, because He is a merciful God and gives grace to the penitent.
So if God is something like us, how do we determine in which ways and to which degree He is like us, and in which ways and to what degree He is not like us? Through His word? Or through Greek and Roman metaphysical speculation?
We are not supposed to have preferred teachers. We are supposed to listen to what teachers say and then judge their assertions by the Word of God and the Holy Spirit. Your human teacher's ideas do not seem to agree with what the scriptures actually say.
Yes. I question it, because the theory is not in scripture, but comes from Greek and Roman metaphysics.
How can God... ? He is omnipotent. Are you arguing that an omnipotent being cannot offer two options to Israel? How do you conclude that rationally or from scripture?
Like what third option?
Option 1: Repent or
Option 2: Don't repent or
Option 3 .... what?
Really? You can't work it out for yourself? If you have to guess whether you're right or wrong about something and you guess wrong? How can you be trusted?
I don't see God changing plans. I see Him outlining what happens on two different paths and allowing us to choose which one we want to walk.
If He was actually changing His mind, then the opposite would happen on each path. ie. Walk the right path but end up in the wrong. That would be changing His mind.
There are always potentially two paths to walk. The Lord is always knowing the outcome for both.
God's knowledge is not dependent on us, we are dependent on Him always knowing what is right or we cannot be made right.
The other problem you have is God learning yet scripture clearly states no-one can teach God.
Job 21:22
“Can anyone teach God knowledge, Since He judges those on high?
Not sure what's hard to understand.
"Did God create people for Hell on purpose? " is your question, the answer is no.
Good Lord. All these smarts going to waste.
There is no third option.
Can't THINK is the answer I get.
I Agree sis. It's a thread about how did he create.......without creating any man for the LoF.
I questioned someone else skilled in exegesis, and he agreed with the translation...
If there were no sun?
No day and night?
Just constant light?
Where would time be?
God is light.
Then this...
If He was in the form of God?
And, God is eternally existing?
He was existing in an eternal state.
I agree. It seems pretty clear.
Pe 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
That was a jab against limited atonement of TULIP.
Some here tip toe through the TULIP.
Light travels at a velocity of 299 792 458 metres per SECOND. A SECOND is a measure of time.