Concerning the gift of tongues
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The Bible is chock full of people having experiences with God and all kinds of supernatural occurrences. Paul said to earnestly desire spiritual gifts. Gaga? I think that may be your perception. Have you never experienced God in a way that fills you with His presence to the point you don't want to leave?
I don't know. Perhaps that is not for everyone
I don't know. Perhaps that is not for everyone
speaking the truth in love to you and all on CC.
So very true. The 10 commandments are summed up as 'love'; Jesus said you could sum them up with love your neighbor and of course and foremost, love God.
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22
Some people would like to change the order or prevent ALL that God has revealed or gives is really not all that because you know, after all, there is love. (said in a superior tone of voice)
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22
Some people would like to change the order or prevent ALL that God has revealed or gives is really not all that because you know, after all, there is love. (said in a superior tone of voice
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You arrogantly use your personal abbreviations and then tell someone they are confused because they don't know what you meant?
Maybe try showing that love you say you have.
I find what you write boring and I was clear on that. It seems you have progressed to twisting what I say so unless you get yourself straightened out regarding how you reply to me and stop the childish self promoting comments you are given to such as your last sentence above, I'm going to pass you over. The same, it would seem, of your personal experience regarding the spiritual gifts and I don't mean tongues here.
Maybe try showing that love you say you have.
I find what you write boring and I was clear on that. It seems you have progressed to twisting what I say so unless you get yourself straightened out regarding how you reply to me and stop the childish self promoting comments you are given to such as your last sentence above, I'm going to pass you over. The same, it would seem, of your personal experience regarding the spiritual gifts and I don't mean tongues here.
I was merely pointing out the contradiction in your semantics, which I did not realize you would take as unloving, so sorry.
You were clear regarding the zzzs meaning boring, but unclear regarding being uncaring.
My last sentence (So much for manifesting the more excellent way of divine love and unity) was intended to promote
TOP # 107, which you pass over: the evidence of being "spiritual" is manifesting or reflecting divine love to everyone, especially or beginning with fellow believers by striving for spiritual unity and agreement regarding the essential Gospel.
You were clear regarding the zzzs meaning boring, but unclear regarding being uncaring.
My last sentence (So much for manifesting the more excellent way of divine love and unity) was intended to promote
TOP # 107, which you pass over: the evidence of being "spiritual" is manifesting or reflecting divine love to everyone, especially or beginning with fellow believers by striving for spiritual unity and agreement regarding the essential Gospel.
Well, so far the history is right, the Assemblies of God, is founded in 1914, as well the Oness pentecostal movement. Because they splittet from the Assemblies of God.
According their teachings, speaking in tongues is the evidence that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. While the Oness claim the baptising with the Holy Spirit is a need to be saved. The AoG dont go so far. But for both movements ( oneness 30 million and AoG 55 million members) an believer without speaking in tongues is not baptised with the Holy Spirit. And is either not saved ore lack the power of the Holy Spirit and have no spiritual gifts.
They emphasis healings ( healing from all sickness as believer) and miracles. Should this then not be found in the world.?
Is it true? Among the 85 million pentecostals are no sick people? Where all the miracles done from this 85 million members?
https://www.onenesspentecostal.com/state.htm
https://ag.org/beliefs/statement-of-fundamental-truths
Btw. Pentecostals and charismatics often refer Acts 2,4, but forgot vers 3. both verses belongs together.
So if you claim to be baptized like it was in Acts 2,4 reportet, then were are the cloven tongues like of fire?
Today there exist many derivates from the first Pentecostal movements which startet in 1. January 1901 with Agnes Ozman.
According their teachings, speaking in tongues is the evidence that someone is baptised with the Holy Spirit. While the Oness claim the baptising with the Holy Spirit is a need to be saved. The AoG dont go so far. But for both movements ( oneness 30 million and AoG 55 million members) an believer without speaking in tongues is not baptised with the Holy Spirit. And is either not saved ore lack the power of the Holy Spirit and have no spiritual gifts.
They emphasis healings ( healing from all sickness as believer) and miracles. Should this then not be found in the world.?
Is it true? Among the 85 million pentecostals are no sick people? Where all the miracles done from this 85 million members?
https://www.onenesspentecostal.com/state.htm
https://ag.org/beliefs/statement-of-fundamental-truths
Btw. Pentecostals and charismatics often refer Acts 2,4, but forgot vers 3. both verses belongs together.
So if you claim to be baptized like it was in Acts 2,4 reportet, then were are the cloven tongues like of fire?
Today there exist many derivates from the first Pentecostal movements which startet in 1. January 1901 with Agnes Ozman.
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It is the initial as all who received the empowerment of the Holy Spirit spoke in tongues or prophesied, Acts 2:1-13 (Acts 10:44-46) (Acts 19:6).
Again, the AOG is not the word of God, but Luke, the writer of Acts, wrote the word of GOD.
Again, the Assemblies of God never was oneness; that is why they did not accept oneness teaching, because the word of God doesn't. What's your point?
Martin Luther was Catholic until they left the RCC, and the paying or salvation and praying to saints, are you holding Luther's feet to the fire for being associated WITH THE RCC for teaching false doctrine? The assemblies of God did something Martin Luther did and called out the Oneness teaching. Just because you hate Pentecostals.
Now I am still waiting for you to refute my understanding of the word of God, yet you sure can formulate an argument on AOG History LOl. Just give me " Bible" to support your claim, I see not one scripture saying one thing you hold to:
1. No scriptures saying God doesn't heal today
2. No scripture saying Tongues are not for today
3. No Scripture saying Do not see to pray for the sick and ask God to heal them.
"( oneness 30 million and AoG 55 million members) an believer without speaking in tongues is not baptised with the Holy Spirit."
Again, your point is what? You sound like Pharieese. Jesus said the poor are always with us. How foolish can you be, out of 85 million? I am only responsible for myself. You should try that, and I can tell you that I have gone to hospitals very often, and God does heal. And many of them are documented, as I said, it really doesn't matter because you hate Pentacostals because some of them hurt your feelings.
You don't have a BIBLE? Because I see no Bible supporting your position.
Again, the AOG is not the word of God, but Luke, the writer of Acts, wrote the word of GOD.
Again, the Assemblies of God never was oneness; that is why they did not accept oneness teaching, because the word of God doesn't. What's your point?
Martin Luther was Catholic until they left the RCC, and the paying or salvation and praying to saints, are you holding Luther's feet to the fire for being associated WITH THE RCC for teaching false doctrine? The assemblies of God did something Martin Luther did and called out the Oneness teaching. Just because you hate Pentecostals.
Now I am still waiting for you to refute my understanding of the word of God, yet you sure can formulate an argument on AOG History LOl. Just give me " Bible" to support your claim, I see not one scripture saying one thing you hold to:
1. No scriptures saying God doesn't heal today
2. No scripture saying Tongues are not for today
3. No Scripture saying Do not see to pray for the sick and ask God to heal them.
"( oneness 30 million and AoG 55 million members) an believer without speaking in tongues is not baptised with the Holy Spirit."
Again, your point is what? You sound like Pharieese. Jesus said the poor are always with us. How foolish can you be, out of 85 million? I am only responsible for myself. You should try that, and I can tell you that I have gone to hospitals very often, and God does heal. And many of them are documented, as I said, it really doesn't matter because you hate Pentacostals because some of them hurt your feelings.
You don't have a BIBLE? Because I see no Bible supporting your position.
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"Btw. Pentecostals and charismatics often refer Acts 2,4, but forgot vers 3. both verses belongs together."
"So if you claim to be baptized like it was in Acts 2,4 reportet, then were are the cloven tongues like of fire? "
What is your point? You really lack proper Hermenutics. You need to learn context.
I will help you out, Acts chapter 2: 3-4
the Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles, appearing as "tongues of fire" that settled on each of them, andthe Holy Spirit descended upon the apostles, appearing as "tongues of fire" that settled on each of them, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, beginning to speak in other languages as the Spirit enabled them.
Now this is descriptive of the "Cloven tongues of Fire", why?
Because it is only seen in the Text ONE TIME!!!!!! And nowhere else in the Word of God.
"They were all filled with the Holy Spirit, beginning to speak in other languages as the Spirit enabled them."
It is seen as a normative, why? Because this work of the Holy Spirit is seen happening in the Old Testament and New.
Ezekiel 11:5 Then the Spirit of the LORD fell upon me, and said to me, “Speak! ‘Thus says the LORD: “
Isaiah
“The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord,
Luke 1:15 For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother’s womb.
Acts:4:8
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers of the people and elders of Israel:
4:31
And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.
and many more times, and Never again is Cloven Fire of tongues mentioned.
But speaking in Tongues is or Prophesying is. Being filled with the Holy Spirit is. The Holy Spirit comes upon them again and again.
Which establishes a Normative
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No problem, i gave you in the past bible verses which you easily ignored.
And again I never said that God is not healing today ! And that God is not answering prayer for healing today!
In opposit pentecostal and charismatic doctrine claims that every believer will be physical healed. Although the bible proof that this is not the case. Healing was in first instance for to proof that Jesus is the son of God ore to proof that the gospel is true.
Not for to guarantee the believer a life free from sickness.
And by the way. I am not hating pentecostals ore charismatics. I just dont believe their unbiblical teachings, because they tend to deceive believers with false promisses. And it hurts not my feelings if someone comes along with a false teaching. It makes me angry,. I saw how destructive such teachings are in the live of church and believers.
And again I never said that God is not healing today ! And that God is not answering prayer for healing today!
In opposit pentecostal and charismatic doctrine claims that every believer will be physical healed. Although the bible proof that this is not the case. Healing was in first instance for to proof that Jesus is the son of God ore to proof that the gospel is true.
Not for to guarantee the believer a life free from sickness.
And by the way. I am not hating pentecostals ore charismatics. I just dont believe their unbiblical teachings, because they tend to deceive believers with false promisses. And it hurts not my feelings if someone comes along with a false teaching. It makes me angry,. I saw how destructive such teachings are in the live of church and believers.
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Well, if I am not wrong then according Acts 2 and 10 the Holy Spirit came to them without they expecting that he will come. He fell to the believers, and all where surprised.
So if speaking in tongues is the sign that someone receive the Holy Spirit. This would be a normal expierience for every believer from Pentecost during the whole history till today.
No teaching how to receive, no fastingprayer, no special hand lay upon.
Instead when it manifestet in 1906, people has to come to Azusa street meetings for to spread it into the world.
The result was a chisma between the believers worldwide.
So if speaking in tongues is the sign that someone receive the Holy Spirit. This would be a normal expierience for every believer from Pentecost during the whole history till today.
No teaching how to receive, no fastingprayer, no special hand lay upon.
Instead when it manifestet in 1906, people has to come to Azusa street meetings for to spread it into the world.
The result was a chisma between the believers worldwide.
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