Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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You believe a time will come when you are not in Christ?

In the Resurrection we will become bone of his bone, and flesh of his glorious body.

Then, we will stop being in Him.

Just like the bride of Adam, Eve, was no longer in Adam once the Lord made her body from the bone and flesh of Adam.
 
Look, this isn't kindergarten where you get a trophy for effort. Jesus said this directly about His Disciples because they're the only ones who knew that God sent Him.

What part of these verses do you not comprehend. They are really quite clear. Do you see the "NEITHER PRAY I FOR THESE ALONE" and "BUT FOR THEM ALSO WHICH SHALL BELIEVE ON ME..." in v20, which is continued in v21 with "THAT THEY ALL MAY BE ONE"? Do you see the "ALL MAY BE ONE" - that Jesus made no distinction in His prayer between His disciples and those who would believe through them - that they may all be ONE?

Jesus's prayer was for all who would ever believe, not just those particular disciples who were with Him then.

[Jhn 17:20 KJV] 20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

[Jhn 17:21 KJV] 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
 
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In the Resurrection we will become bone of his bone, and flesh of his glorious body.

Then, we will stop being in Him.

Just like the bride of Adam, Eve, was no longer in Adam once the Lord made her body from the bone and flesh of Adam.
Being in Christ is simply positional. Not being in Him would mean we are not His or part of His body. It would also make us independent of Him. None of these things are so.
 
Being in Christ is simply positional. Not being in Him would mean we are not His or part of His body. It would also make us independent of Him. None of these things are so.

Only in your mind. Eve was still Adam's wife even though she was taken out from him.
 
Nothing gobbledygook about it. It means your thinking reflects who you are, not who he is.
Nice attitude. It's gobbledygook. It is he who continues to show poor discernment. That you don't see it reflects upon you.
 
What did Job possess that He did not receive? Jesus told His disciples that they could do nothing apart from Him. God's testimony of Job was a testimony of God's great grace exercised towards Job. Even Satan recognizes how much God has done for Job.


He possessed the praise of God who had exalted Job.


"Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you." James 4:10

That means Job had to have a part in the Lord deciding that Job was to be exalted.

Otherwise?
God would force everyone to be exalted by invasive grace.

(that's why 'irresistible' grace makes no sense.. for, it would have to work for everybody)

Couldn't resist saying that.
 
Nice attitude. It's gobbledygook. It is he who continues to show poor discernment. That you don't see it reflects upon you.


Cameron.... You are a brave one.

You really believe your false doctrine.

Like the Muslims who flew the plane into the Twin Towers.

Yes.... there can be power to be found in a lie.
 
He possessed the praise of God who had exalted Job.


"Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you." James 4:10

That means Job had to have a part in the Lord deciding that Job was to be exalted.

Otherwise?
God would force everyone to be exalted by invasive grace.

(that's why 'irresistible' grace makes no sense.. for, it would have to work for everybody)

Couldn't resist saying that.
Does one take credit for humbling themselves as a result of the work God has done in them? Do you humble yourself absent the conforming influence of God? Do you humble yourself apart from Christ living in you? Then why do you boast as though you do?
 
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Cameron.... You are a brave one.

You really believe your false doctrine.

Like the Muslims who flew the plane into the Twin Towers.

Yes.... there can be power to be found in a lie.
More garbage. Now I'm a terrorist to boot. Such great discernment. @sawdust, you getting this great discernment and humility?
 
Cameron.... You are a brave one.

You really believe your false doctrine.

Like the Muslims who flew the plane into the Twin Towers.

Yes.... there can be power to be found in a lie.
Just another miss representation of his grace from you, the grace he gave Job is the same he gives all at first, it's called enabling grace until his grace becomes irresistible in a person who recognises him leading them. Because they find his grace loving it becomes irresistible for the believer to not be without his grace in there heart, and the more it shows that way in persons heart, the more God finds it irresistible to keep providing his grace. Which is a nicer way to look at it, than the way your making it sound. And turning the grace that Cameron loves to something that Muslim likes, how disrespectful can you get.

But no you have to have it seen as invasive again, which really puts grace down.


And you go on about the rapture like it means a lot to you but you have no appreciation for repentance.
 
More garbage. Now I'm a terrorist to boot. Such great discernment. @sawdust, you getting this great discernment and humility?
Yep and apparently I'm in the wrong for not putting up with his behaviour appropriately and I should be more subtle in relying to him, when his comments are way below the belt.
 
Being in Christ is simply positional. Not being in Him would mean we are not His or part of His body. It would also make us independent of Him. None of these things are so.

I understand what positional truth means.
That was the standard good explanation usually given because they had not yet seen what was actually going on.

As the woman was in Adam's side?
So are we now in the Lord's side.

Our resurrection body is to be bone of His bone,
and glorious flesh of His glorious body!


Right now?
We are really in Him!

What you see in the mirror?
Has been crucified with Christ.
It no longer lives.
What we are to be, right now?
Is seated in Heaven with Him (in Him).


He also raised us up with him and seated us with him
in the heavens in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:6​
And
{God the Holy Spirit}
has both raised {us} up together
and has made/caused us
to sit together {with Him}
in the heavenlies . . .
in Christ Jesus.



:geek: .... The Holy Spirit gave me some "inside" information!

.
 
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And there it is. You are man-.centric. Job didn't merit favor because of his actions. Meriting favor is not grace. All that we have has been given to us. Ipso facto, all is of grace. God, in giving testimony of Job, is giving testimony to what He has done in Job. That's the point of the story. Job's faithfulness isn't the result of Job, but God. In the process, God reveals more of Himself to Job.

The Bible is about God. Why do you make it about men?


If you can get your false doctrine out of your brain?

Maybe you could begin to see there is much more to see, than the small box you keep sticking your head in.
 
No your imagination of what people are actually saying here does, all along the people you have constantly referred to as no good Calvies have consistently said it's the lord which changes you, where as you and your crew have constantly ignored that and change everything they've said, because you all put your free will first.. and the biggest joke is mans will lives in the flesh.

Which means your love for God is in your belly
Again, no mention of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why?
interesting @Dino246 you flip past his post falsely implying we don't represent the lord and then put your thumbs down to my defense.

Yep your ignorance shines through again, give yourself a pat on the back mate
Again, no mention of the Lord Jesus Christ.

You guys consistently and constantly refuse to mention Him or explain about Him in your posts.

Many of us KNOW why.........His very name is salvation for anyone who trusts in Him.
 
I understand what positional truth means.
That was the standard good explanation usually given because they had not yet seen what was actually going on.

As the woman was in Adam's side?
So are we now in the Lord's side.

Our resurrection body is to be bone of His bone,
and glorious flesh of His glorious body!


Right now?
We are really in Him!

What you see in the mirror?
Has been crucified with Christ.
It no longer lives.
What we are to be, right now?
Is seated in Heaven with Him (in Him).


He also raised us up with him and seated us with him
in the heavens in Christ Jesus. Ephesians 2:6​
And
{God the Holy Spirit}
has both raised {us} up together
and has made/caused us
to sit together {with Him}
in the heavenlies . . .
in Christ Jesus.



:geek: .... The Holy Spirit gave me some "inside" information!

.
Amen Brother. Amen.
 
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