Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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btw I am still expecting an answer to my questions not simply your usual trick of answering questions with a question.
Hidden simply means all that we will be has yet to be revealed. All the promises of God are in Him. How does one separate the promises from Christ? Also, our life is still in Him. Do you believe we can have life apart from Him?
The answers come from the questions. If there is something you want directly answered, please ask again.btw I am still expecting an answer to my questions not simply your usual trick of answering questions with a question.
You can't be revealed and remain hidden. You don't make any sense.
Adam wasn't in Christ but he had life. Being in Christ is a unique position given only to the Church age.
Eve still had life when she was taken out from Adam and revealed.
The whole universe exists and continues because of the grace of God. No God, no life whatsoever.
Weird question imo.
You and genez should get married, you will both well suited.He's what we Aussies call a whinging Pom.
Mr and Mrs know it all, couldn't do wrong, always complaining about people's remarks whilst taking absolutely no notice of your own.
you chose to belittle again like genez, he's rubbed of in you terribly.You can't be revealed and remain hidden. You don't make any sense.
Adam wasn't in Christ but he had life. Being in Christ is a unique position given only to the Church age.
Eve still had life when she was taken out from Adam and revealed.
The whole universe exists and continues because of the grace of God. No God, no life whatsoever.
Weird question imo.
My answers come from your questions. Your questions provide nothing to answer my questions.
That is what I asked. Forget question 2 as it seems you think we will remain hidden forever in Christ. How do we mature if it is always Christ's life only that is in operation and that life is never transferred to us? Christ (His humanity) has been evaluated hence, rose from the dead and now sits at the right hand of God the Father. If our life is Christ's life alone (no transfer), then on what are we being evaluated?
That's not true. Who do you think sacrificed the animal and covered Adam with its skin? Christ, of course. One is either in Adam or in Christ since.You can't be revealed and remain hidden. You don't make any sense.
Adam wasn't in Christ but he had life. Being in Christ is a unique position given only to the Church age.
Eve still had life when she was taken out from Adam and revealed.
The whole universe exists and continues because of the grace of God. No God, no life whatsoever.
Weird question imo.
And I didn't say something is both hidden and revealed simultaneously. I simply said the passage only deals with the two. Just because we are with Him doesn't mean we aren't also in Him. What do you believe it means that one is in Christ? That we are literally in Him? And being part of the body of Christ, why would this change simply because we exist in another location? Will Christ not always be the Head of the body?
Nope. The "those" who were given to Christ in v. 20 are the same "those" in v.24. However, another very feasible understanding of v. 24 is since "all those you have given to him" (v.2) appears in v. 20 as well...AND v. 21 starts with "that all of THEM may be one", (i.e. the 11 and the second group of future Gentile believers), for the unity of Jewish and Gentile believers is addressed in other NT passages (and In the OT as well!), Verse 21 is really tying both groups of believers together. Why would Jesus limit his unity remarks in v. 21 to just the 11 Jewish believers within earshot?
You can't be revealed and remain hidden. You don't make any sense.
Adam wasn't in Christ but he had life. Being in Christ is a unique position given only to the Church age.
Eve still had life when she was taken out from Adam and revealed.
The whole universe exists and continues because of the grace of God. No God, no life whatsoever.
Weird question imo.
False! All the elect, including OT saints, have been in Christ since eternity past. There is absolutely no salvation OUTSIDE of Christ. Never has been and never will be. The only difference between the Old and New Covenants is that the latter reveals far more than the Old does.
What we learn over time is how to access the power of God at work in us. It never becomes ours or is subject to us. This, too, is the result of Christ in us.
Look, this isn't kindergarten where you get a trophy for effort. Jesus said this directly about His Disciples because they're the only ones who knew that God sent Him.
We aren't the ones Jesus said believed He was sent by God. We don't even know Jesus like the Disciples did. The Verse is 100% about those sitting right beside Jesus while He was praying.
Scripture says we are hidden in Christ so if you think we remain in Christ we must also remain hidden yet you also want to say we are revealed even though we are still hidden in Christ. So imo your logic does not add up.
What has the sacrifice got to do with it? Eve was taken out of Adam and in so doing God revealed her to Adam. Gen.2:21-23 She didn't die because she was taken out of Adam anymore than we will die when taken out of Christ and revealed for what we are. A person built on the word of God (gold, silver, gems) or false doctrine (wood, hay, straw).
In Christ means we are covered by Him until the day of redemption.
Again, don't know why you think being revealed for what we are somehow separates us from Christ.
Being hidden in Him means exactly what I said. We will always be in Him. He never stops being the head nor we the body.Scripture says we are hidden in Christ so if you think we remain in Christ we must also remain hidden yet you also want to say we are revealed even though we are still hidden in Christ. So imo your logic does not add up.
What has the sacrifice got to do with it? Eve was taken out of Adam and in so doing God revealed her to Adam. Gen.2:21-23 She didn't die because she was taken out of Adam anymore than we will die when taken out of Christ and revealed for what we are. A person built on the word of God (gold, silver, gems) or false doctrine (wood, hay, straw).
In Christ means we are covered by Him until the day of redemption.
Again, don't know why you think being revealed for what we are somehow separates us from Christ.
Eve like all things is upheld by Christ and the word of His power. Her life was not in Adam, but in Christ.
You still haven't answered what it is to be in Christ.
To be in Christ is to be in Him, as Eve was in Adam before she was revealed.
Only the Church is the Bride of Christ.
“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,
and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking
about Christ and the church."
Ephesians 5:31-32
and the two will become one flesh.” This is a profound mystery—but I am talking
about Christ and the church."
Ephesians 5:31-32
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