Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
Some people will argue untill the cows come home even when there wrong, I don't see magenta continuing to argue with you about your disagreement with her , maybe she's doesn't actually want to fall out with you, have you thought about that ?
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If Magenta did not want to continue "to argue with [me] about [her] disagreement with [me]" then Magenta should not spread her lie that I "entered this thread breathing out lies and false accusations" ... because that never happened, notwithstanding her (and your) insistence to the contrary.

Now Magenta has finally ... finally ... provided some context for her angst and it turns out she was referring to something posted months ago in a separate thread.

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Magenta said:
I do not think she will stop. It's why I do not respond to her. It was almost funny when studier said he admired
how she does not get into bickering (that is paraphrased). Rarely have I never seen anyone bicker so much.
And that is even before she took it up against me with all her false accusations.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...n-have-a-freewill.219353/page-22#post-5520837
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ok ... so now we all know you are referring to a discussion which took place in a separate thread, Magenta ... not this thread which you claim I "entered this thread breathing out lies and false accusations". If you want to go back and rehash a discussion we had more than a half year ago in order to ferret out who said what to whom, bring it up in the other thread.

on the other hand, you would do well to take Father up on His instruction that we are to cast all our cares to Him ...

1 Peter 5:6-7 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time: Casting all your care upon him; for he careth for you.

here's another verse which may help you get over your angst:

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

... gotta let go of "stuff" ... there is more Scripture which you can turn to in order to soothe your heart from any hurt you may have suffered. If you'd like, I can provide more verses. Best practice is to abide in the Lord Jesus Christ ... He will sustain you through trying times.

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reneweddaybyday said:
If Magenta did not want to continue "to argue with [me] about [her] disagreement with [me]" then Magenta should not spread her lie that I "entered this thread breathing out lies and false accusations" ... because that never happened, notwithstanding her (and your) insistence to the contrary.

Now Magenta has finally ... finally ... provided some context for her angst and it turns out she was referring to something posted months ago in a separate thread.

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it looks like there may be some kind of a mix up.

It's good that your both talking again that's the main thing, 🙂
 
Jordon said:
it looks like there may be some kind of a mix up.

It's good that your both talking again that's the main thing, 🙂
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ah Jordon ... we're all here just waiting for the Lord Jesus Christ to return ... that is when we will be fully conformed to His image and we shall see Him face to face ... what a day!!!

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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reneweddaybyday said:
ah Jordon ... we're all here just waiting for the Lord Jesus Christ to return ... that is when we will be fully conformed to His image and we shall see Him face to face ... what a day!!!

1 John 3:1-2 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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I do believe I've seen him in your heart and mind many times already ❤️.
 
the_seeker said:
Sorry mate, what you wrote did not give any deep meaning to me .... sorry ....
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If you are not going to contribute to either side?
All you are going now is to try to stop the process while one side is having to face their errors....

Why do you want to protect those who teach false doctrines?

That is what we should be asking about you.

If you have no idea what to think?
Then I suggest you just watch and learn if you want to.

Debates took place in the early church.
It was a part of the process for growth.

False teachings are to be reproved and refuted.
Not to peacefully coexist with, as you seem to be promoting.
 
Genez said:
Before you were saved you were of the world.

The Devil never knows who he is going to lose next.

When Saul was persecuting the Church, killing Christians and putting others in jail?
Satan was very happy with the one who was about to be renamed Paul.

You mean to say?
Before he was saved?
That Paul was not a part of the world???
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That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.
 
Genez said:
Ever consider modeling for that guy that jumps out of a jack in the box toy?
One designed to scare little kids?
I think you'd be a good candidate.
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All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging ​
its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3​

I know what you're referring to.... It is called, Positional truth.
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Which you cannot believe because it doesn't fit your heretical narrative. Since Christ (the Head of the Church) was chosen by God in eternity to be His Servant), likewise the Head's Body (His Church consisting of Abraham's descendants) was also predestined and chosen in eternity to serve God. There is a reason why the New Covenant is called ETERNAL! :rolleyes:
 
reneweddaybyday said:
sadly, not all who sit in the pews of churches are born again ... sadly, not all who believe God sent Messiah are born again ...

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

some folks who sit in church pews want a savior to save them from their sin, they do not want a Lord to Whom they owe their life ... the Lord to Whom they are to surrender their life, follow, and be conformed into the image of ... that takes dying to self, which is hard to do ... you know this as well as I and everyone else who has posted in this thread.

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That's because those in the above passage were never given to the Son by the Father.
 
Rufus said:
That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.
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Rude Fuss?

What is your problem?!
Can't find a real problem?
So you got to create one?
We had to be of this world to be chosen out from the world!

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If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, ​
you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. ​
That is why the world hates you. John 15:19 ​
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There you go, Rude Fuss!
 
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Genez said:
Rude Fuss?

What is your problem?!
Can't find a real problem?
So you got to create one?
We had to be of this world to be chosen out from the world!

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If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, ​
you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. ​
That is why the world hates you. John 15:19 ​
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There you go, Rude Fuss!
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You're truly stuck on STUPID! Was Christ in eternity "of this world"? Then neither was his Body in GOD'S EYES! God saw his elect through their Federal Head, which means the elect in ETERNITY were as righteous as their Head. This is how Christ could say that He laid down hjs life for "MY FRIENDS". And sure enough, by this eternal decree, the elect, who were at enmity with Him in time and space, were supernaturally transformed through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the Truth to become His friends.

If Jesus died for his hate-filled enemies, then it would seem that the greatest love of all would logically be that Christ laid down his life for his enemies. But Jn 15:13 doesn't say that. You know why? Because Jesus was always God's friend and faithful servant.

The Mystical Union Principle that you will grow to despise (as I reveal more) is this: As the Head is, so is His Body! The Body is NEVER dichotomized or separated or disconnected from its Head. The Head and Body are one ORGANIC WHOLE -- by God's infinite wisdom.
 
Rufus said:
You're truly stuck on STUPID! Was Christ in eternity "of this world"? Then neither was his Body in GOD'S EYES! God saw his elect through their Federal Head, which means the elect in ETERNITY were as righteous as their Head. This is how Christ could say that He laid down hjs life for "MY FRIENDS". And sure enough, by this eternal decree, the elect, who were at enmity with Him in time and space, were supernaturally transformed through the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit and the Truth to become His friends.

If Jesus died for his hate-filled enemies, then it would seem that the greatest love of all would logically be that Christ laid down his life for his enemies. But Jn 15:13 doesn't say that. You know why? Because Jesus was always God's friend and faithful servant.

The Mystical Union Principle that you will grow to despise (as I reveal more) is this: As the Head is, so is His Body! The Body is NEVER dichotomized or separated or disconnected from its Head. The Head and Body are one ORGANIC WHOLE -- by God's infinite wisdom.
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Was not Christ slain before the foundation of the world?????????

Yet, He still had to make his decision while here on earth in time!!!!!

“Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.”


Luke 22:42
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BillyBob said:
Do you fear witches and unicorns more than God?
This is not the first time that you have slipped into this line of thought.
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That is like asking me if I fear tattoos if I disliked a picture depicting Jesus on the Cross covered with tattoos.

Liars against truth are lame.
They lie to themselves.
 
BillyBob said:
You're right!
I guess I should have accused you of being an evolutionist when you used the monkey image?
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I was watching the thread that was discussing Creation versus Evolution (in another forum) when @Genez coined that monkey image and unlike your presumptions, it was done in defiance of the evolutionists as an ironic twist on their logic, not in favour of them. :)
 
sawdust said:
I was watching the thread that was discussing Creation versus Evolution (in another forum) when @Genez coined that monkey image and unlike your presumptions, it was done in defiance of the evolutionists as an ironic twist on their logic, not in favour of them. :)
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I'm not presuming anything. Just asking why a such a fuss is being made over the use of an image used by another poster. . . . . .
 
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