Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.

reneweddaybyday said:​

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Many of your posts contain snippets of statements submitted by various posters without mentioning to whom you refer. People are allowed to reply to your posts in order to clarify what you claim has been stated.​

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Rather than indicate [name of poster] says this or [name of poster] says that, you take a phrase here ... a phrase there ... combine phrases submitted by more than a few posters into a rant against so-called "FWers" or "freewillers".​

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Is no one allowed to respond to your diatribes?​

here's an example of what I mean:

Numerous times in your diatribes you have stated that "FWers" or "freewillers" claim "the gospel is not hid" ... which is a snippet of a statement made by me and/or others.

Numerous times I have replied to clarify that the gospel is not hid by God ... that it is satan who tries to hide the gospel ... that God is much more powerful in revealing the gospel than satan is at hiding the gospel.

You have referred to me as a "FWer" or a "freewiller" ... so how am I (or anyone else) supposed to know that you were not referring to what I (or others) had submitted concerning the gospel being hid?

You cannot have it both ways, Magenta ... you cannot cloak whoever you are quoting in darkness ... then not expect me (and/or others) to realize "oh Magenta wasn't saying that about me" ... when you quote snippets using words submitted by me (and/or others).

Your "plausible deniability" wrapped in your innuendo schtick is tiresome ...

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[reneweddaybyday]

Magenta said:

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.​

no worries hopefully one day she will

... and hopefully Magenta will stop accusing others of doing things they never did ... or saying things they never said ...

you do know who is the accuser of the brethren, yes???

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

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[Rufus]

Before you were saved you were of the world.

The Devil never knows who he is going to lose next.

When Saul was persecuting the Church, killing Christians and putting others in jail?
Satan was very happy with the one who was about to be renamed Paul.

You mean to say?
Before he was saved?
That Paul was not a part of the world???

That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.

 

[Genez]

That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.

Ever consider modeling for that guy that jumps out of a jack in the box toy?
One designed to scare little kids?
I think you'd be a good candidate.

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All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging ​

its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3​

I know what you're referring to.... It is called, Positional truth.

 

[Jordon]

Magenta said:

It seems she likes acting like she never claimed I said a whole bunch of things about her that I never did.​

... and hopefully Magenta will stop accusing others of doing things they never did ... or saying things they never said ...

you do know who is the accuser of the brethren, yes???

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

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Some people will argue untill the cows come home even when there wrong, I don't see magenta continuing to argue with you about your disagreement with her , maybe she's doesn't actually want to fall out with you, have you thought about that ?

 

[cv5]

That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.

1) the term "elect" pertains to furure privilege, never to pre-birth salvation.
2) the term predestined pertains to furure spiritual blessings and inheritance, never to pre-birth salvation.

 

[Magenta]

Some people will argue untill the cows come home even when there wrong, I don't see magenta continuing to argue with you about your disagreement with her , maybe she's doesn't actually want to fall out with you, have you thought about that ?

I do not think she will stop. It's why I do not respond to her. It was almost funny when studier said he admired
how she does not get into bickering (that is paraphrased). Rarely have I never seen anyone bicker so much.
And that is even before she took it up against me with all her false accusations.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...n-have-a-freewill.219353/page-22#post-5520837

 

[cv5]

Ever consider modeling for that guy that jumps out of a jack in the box toy?
One designed to scare little kids?
I think you'd be a good candidate.

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All of us also lived among them at one time, fulfilling the cravings of our flesh and indulging ​

its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature children of wrath. Ephesians 2:3​

I know what you're referring to.... It is called, Positional truth.

In essence, @Rufus (and most other Reformed types) are legalists.

Their main occupation is to sit as judge jury and mostly executioner over those whom they insist God despises.

Sound familiar?

 

[Jordon]

I do not think she will stop. It's why I do not respond to her. It was almost funny when studier said he admired
how she does not get into bickering (that is paraphrased). Rarely have I never seen anyone bicker so much.
And that is even before she took it up against me with all her false accusations.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...n-have-a-freewill.219353/page-22#post-5520837

Yep she does get a bit picky at times lol

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[Genez]

I do not think she will stop. It's why I do not respond to her. It was almost funny when studier said he admired
how she does not get into bickering (that is paraphrased). Rarely have I never seen anyone bicker so much.
And that is even before she took it up against me with all her false accusations.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...n-have-a-freewill.219353/page-22#post-5520837

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5

 

[Genez]

In essence, @Rufus (and most other Reformed types) are legalists.

Their main occupation is to sit as judge jury and mostly executioner over those whom they insist God despises.

Sound familiar?

In God's eyes....
Legalism is insanity.


The Pharisees were insanely jealous of Jesus.

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[Jordon]

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.

1 Corinthians 13:4-5

It's amazing how you identify your own actions but don't apply theses rules to yourself

 

[the_seeker]

I think Jesus said, once upon a time, but still actual these days :

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."

 

[Jordon]

I think Jesus said, once upon a time, but still actual these days :

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."

Its one thing to be concerned, it's another not to be

Theres actually not many ways in which you can please everyone, in this case Of Jesus, saying this Jesus knew the woman was sorry,

And he was restoring her

Matthew 18:15-17 speaks of people who are not sorry,

But still we must try to restore them, however in the process because it's took two witnesses to bring them to account, they will no doubt claim your chucking stones before hand.

 

[Genez]

I think Jesus said, once upon a time, but still actual these days :

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."

I know you mean well...

But no one is throwing stones here.
Wrong kind of situation...

 

[the_seeker]

But no one is throwing stones here.

Well, not physical stones, but maybe like ... stones in the form of Biblical verses.... ?

 

[Genez]

Well, not physical stones, but maybe like ... stones in the form of Biblical verses.... ?

The body of Christ has to work out their differences.
And, sometimes it can get a bit like you are seeing it take place at present.

Now in giving this instruction I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. ​

In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, ​

and to some extent I believe it. No doubt there have to be factions among you to show which of you ​

have God’s approval. ​

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1 Corinthians 11:17-19​

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In Christ ......

 

[the_seeker]

The body of Christ has to work out their differences.
And, sometimes it can get a bit like you are seeing it take place at present.

Sorry mate, what you wrote did not give any deep meaning to me .... sorry ....

 

[cv5]

I think Jesus said, once upon a time, but still actual these days :

"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone...."

The enemies of Jesus were doing a frame-up job on that woman in order to discredit Him.
Nobody is doing a frame-up job on hapless victims around here.....

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The Gentile world does believe that God sent the Messiah because that world consists of numerous descendants of Abraham who are the second flock of God's sheep.

sadly, not all who sit in the pews of churches are born again ... sadly, not all who believe God sent Messiah are born again ...

Matthew 7:21-23

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

some folks who sit in church pews want a savior to save them from their sin, they do not want a Lord to Whom they owe their life ... the Lord to Whom they are to surrender their life, follow, and be conformed into the image of ... that takes dying to self, which is hard to do ... you know this as well as I and everyone else who has posted in this thread.

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