Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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I'm not presuming anything. Just asking why a such a fuss is being made over the use of an image used by another poster. . . . . .

Because she dogmatically professes false doctrine that impugns the virtue and character of God.

Why don't you know that?
 
That's a half truth! Every saint was "of the world" in TIME -- but not in eternity. You're so stuck on the grand importance of wicked mankind, you cannot understand that in God's eyes in eternity, His chosen people were never "OF" this world, anymore than Christ himself ever was! In eternity all the elect who were given to Jesus were predestined to be effectually called out of this world in time and space.
Look @Rufus
The Greek term proorizō is derived from the from horizō

G3724 - horizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate G3724 counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

.........from which we get our word "HORIZON".

Every instance this term is used, it has to do with the protocol plan of God in time pertaining to the FUTURE of those who choose to believe Him.

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You are Beza flunky. Too bad so sad.
 
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I was watching the thread that was discussing Creation versus Evolution (in another forum) when @Genez coined that monkey image and unlike your presumptions, it was done in defiance of the evolutionists as an ironic twist on their logic, not in favour of them. :)

I removed the monkey.
It was not worth arguing over.

What have they done?
 
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Look @Rufus
The Greek term proorizō is derived from the from horizō

G3724 - horizō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)

Act 2:23
Him, being delivered by the determinate G3724 counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

.........from which we get our word "HORIZON".

Every instance this term is used, it has to do with the protocol plan of God in time pertaining to the FUTURE of those who choose to believe Him.

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You are Beza flunky. Too bad so sad.
Here you go @Rufus
Wake up.

https://rbthieme.org/stream/specials/index.html?special=royal_family_of_god&ref=royal_family_of_god

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The Body of Christ was objectively Sanctified in Christ in Eternity and, therefore, subjectively sanctified in Him in Time.
Let's begin by laying out some foundational truths:

1. The Body is One (Jn 15:5; Rom 12:5; 1Cor 12:12-13)

2. The Body consists of Priests (1Pet 2:9) who offer living sacrifices to God (Rom 12:1), just as Jesus offered His body up to God (Lk 22:42).

3. The Body is also God's holy Temple (2Cor 6:16) just as Christ's own body was God's temple (Jn 2:19) since He was always filled with the Holy Spirit (Lk 4:1)

4. Jesus said:

John 17:17-20
17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.
19 For THEM I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. 20 "My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for THOSE who will believe in me through their message,
NIV

And,

John 10:36
36 what about the one whom the Fath
er set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?
NIV

To be "set apart" (Gr. "hagiazo", Strong's 37) is to be made holy, purified, to consecrate, set apart for sacred use)

Since the Head (Jesus) sanctified Himself, then it stands to perfect reason that He also sanctified His Body that God gave to Him in eternity (1Cor 1:2; ). And since the Father "set apart" the elect's Federal Head, then it equally stands to good reason that the Father also sanctified the Head's Body (the Church), since the Head and His Body are ONE and indivisible. (Cf. Gal 1:15-16; Heb 2:10-11; 10:10, 29). Again, As the Head is, so is His Body!

The above truths are also firmly rooted in the the Law. God consecrated the Tent of the Meeting, its altar and its priests (Ex 29:44-46). And the Lord consecrated His temple (1Ki 9:1-3). Both of these bolded objects being types of Christ AND all New Covenant believers!

Moreover, Moses, as a type of Christ, consecrated the priests so that they could serve the Lord (Ex 19:22). (See Jn 17:17-20 above.)

The Heb. term "qadash" (Strong's 6942) means "to be (causatively, make, pronounce or observe as clean (ceremonially or morally)". Note carefully by this definition the two aspects of consecration: Objective and Subjective. The objective aspect can also be seen in 1Cor 1:2; Heb 10:10). Whereas the subjective/existential aspect can be seen (Jn 17:19). The Ex 19:22 text suggests subjective consecration for actual service to the Lord. Whereas the other two OT passages suggest objective consecration.

Therefore, 1Pet 1:2 and 2Thes 2:13 that speak to the subjective, sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit that actually brings God's chosen people to believe and obey gospel truth, perfectly harmonizes with the entire counsel of God's Word. It was always God's intention, purpose and plan to set apart His covenant people, His Church, His friends, His sheep for sacred service, just as Jesus Christ sanctified Himself for faithful service. Jesus never sanctified Himself for the entire world in the distributive sense, which makes Unlimited Atonement in the quantitative sense more than problematic. If Christ truly died for all w/o exception, then He would have prayed for the entire world and sanctified it for sacred use. Such sanctification is absolutely crucial because without it, no can come to faith or repentance. And the sanctification of God's chosen ones only happens IN CHRIST (1Cor 1:2). Has the entire world ever been in Last Adam instead of Adam?

Willful Ignorance of the Word isn't so blissful, FWers. You had all better wake up from your sleep of death. Those who fail to find Wisdom love death (Prov 8:36).














 
I'm not presuming anything. Just asking why a such a fuss is being made over the use of an image used by another poster. . . . . .

Yes you did. You presumed an evolutionist because of a monkey pic and if not then why would you think to accuse him of such?

Monkeys are God's creation too you know unlike unicorns and tatoos.
 
I do believe I've seen him in your heart and mind many times already ❤️
nice of you to say, Jordon ... He's working in all born again believers and eeks out every now and again if/when we get out of His way!!!

I was reminded of this verse ...

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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That's because those in the above passage were never given to the Son by the Father.
well ... if they are sitting in church pews and are not born again, either the gospel is not being preached in the pulpit, or they are suppressing the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is preached in the pulpit.

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Yes you did. You presumed an evolutionist because of a monkey pic and if not then why would you think to accuse him of such?

Monkeys are God's creation too you know unlike unicorns and tatoos.
No I did not! Learn to read and keep up with what is being said! I used the monkey, as an example only, to say that since he gripes about pictures being used, that would be like me complaining about his, WHICH I HAVE NOT DONE. Genez's talking about Magenta's pic is very childish. It is clear that he has an agenda concerning Magenta. He must have used a 20X magnifying glass to even notice the tattoo. No sane person would even think of the things that he has mentioned concerning the pic. . . . . Just saying.
 
No I did not! Learn to read and keep up with what is being said! I used the monkey, as an example only, to say that since he gripes about pictures being used, that would be like me complaining about his, WHICH I HAVE NOT DONE. Genez's talking about Magenta's pic is very childish. It is clear that he has an agenda concerning Magenta. He must have used a 20X magnifying glass to even notice the tattoo. No sane person would even think of the things that he has mentioned concerning the pic. . . . . Just saying.

A little leaven works its way through the whole lump.
The tattoo should not be there in a Christian forum in the first place.

People involved with the occult try to secretly embed themselves in churches and Christian forums.
They present themselves as Christian...
While they give subtle clues and signals to alert others of the reason they are there that many Christians would be oblivious to.
Most Christians are too nice and naive to have a clue as to what they are up to.

It was by God's sovereign will that something became exposed to me.
It came as a slip-up on her part, but it could not be denied.
I would have not had a clue unless God removed the curtain they were being hidden behind.

I can still recall that night it happened.

As I was walking to my room, I heard in my soul the following words gently being stated...

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed
that will not be known or brought out into the open. Luke 8:17​

Shortly later it happened.
Can not give the details.
But it would have horrified certain believers to be exposed to what I was shown.

Spiritual warfare is not a game.

Naive Christians many times have no idea how well God is protecting them from their own stupidity.

Those involved in the occult see most Christians as dumb, and oblivious to what they do.

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No I did not! Learn to read and keep up with what is being said! I used the monkey, as an example only, to say that since he gripes about pictures being used, that would be like me complaining about his, WHICH I HAVE NOT DONE. Genez's talking about Magenta's pic is very childish. It is clear that he has an agenda concerning Magenta. He must have used a 20X magnifying glass to even notice the tattoo. No sane person would even think of the things that he has mentioned concerning the pic. . . . . Just saying.
IMO if she was wise enough to realize that these occultic icons are indeed offensive, she would immediately remove them.
 
No I did not! Learn to read and keep up with what is being said! I used the monkey, as an example only, to say that since he gripes about pictures being used, that would be like me complaining about his, WHICH I HAVE NOT DONE. Genez's talking about Magenta's pic is very childish. It is clear that he has an agenda concerning Magenta. He must have used a 20X magnifying glass to even notice the tattoo. No sane person would even think of the things that he has mentioned concerning the pic. . . . . Just saying.
In certain Christian forums she would have been banned.
 
No I did not! Learn to read and keep up with what is being said! I used the monkey, as an example only, to say that since he gripes about pictures being used, that would be like me complaining about his, WHICH I HAVE NOT DONE. Genez's talking about Magenta's pic is very childish. It is clear that he has an agenda concerning Magenta. He must have used a 20X magnifying glass to even notice the tattoo. No sane person would even think of the things that he has mentioned concerning the pic. . . . . Just saying.

Sure you didn't .. nudge, nudge, wink, wink. :LOL:

You used the monkey to suggest accusing him of being an evolutionist. I can read just fine mate. ;)
 
You said the heart WILL not seek God because it CANNOT. Will not and cannot are two different phenomenons. Using the phrase "WILL NOT" assumes we have a will that can either resist or yield to God's will but that (for reasons of our own) we voluntarily refuse to change our minds. On the other hand the idea that we CANNOT yield means we are UNABLE to change our mind due to some impairment, defect or disability. Your idea is that the person's will must be changed by a unilateral imposition of divine power - rather like the demons were known to take over a possessed person's speech and behavior. This is not how the Father operates. Instead, He prefers a willing surrender which is why He sent the Spirit to us

The Bible says "And when he (The Holy Spirit) comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment (John 16:8) The word translated "convict" is ἐλέγχω which means: to convict, refute, confute, generally with a suggestion of the shame of the person convicted. The Spirit applies the work of Christ to us by uncovering our personal guilt, validating Jesus’ perfect righteousness, and warning of coming judgment. This inner conviction is indispensable in salvation; without it, the gospel remains information rather than transformation. However, it is also possible for human beings to resist the Spirit influence and harden their hearts. Thus the Spirit's influence is not irresistible

You also said: ....how can those who have rejected God can have anything of His in them to give hope? His word is our hope, the unsaved have no word of God.
We have to do our part to get the word in them by preaching the gospel which has the power to save anyone. If they are momentarily without hope this, too can be used to motivate them to change.
Good post!
 
33,018 posts and we still cant agree whether we have free will or not. Does the disagreement come from the stubborn human will or God’s will battling satan’s will? Either way it might be time to agree to disagree.