Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[lrs68]

that's what you call a sparks theory

Yes Sir!

 

[Jordon]

What a waste of wattage since both require the same amount of voltage to work. That means most of yours is wasted. Kind of like your doctrine.

just to prove your quoting fairy theories, a five watt light bulb would instantly burn out on high voltage, like your brain lol

What you need is a capacitor for Gods super duper kinetic energy,

Which enables you to not being passive, this is how the spark works the forces of God act as a passive capacitor for you

It's the sparks theory of all theories, a passive compacitor for your heart, as when your passive your to easily influence by low energy, and easily controlled resulting in a five watt light bulb flickering on and of

 

[Genez]

They didn't hear God and neither were they taught by Him. They merely understood of the existence of God through nature and conscience.

And, how did they make the connection?

Are you saying that the Holy Spirit working in someone's thought process is not hearing from God?
Because, that is what happens during the drawing of God.

 

[Genez]

Interesting. I thought epignosis was more than simply knowing something to be true but is more about trusting the data to be true.

I shall have to think more on this.

Or are you saying their knowledge was like epignosis but not actual epignosis? Iow, they knew the data with certainty but rejected it anyway?

Epignosis is what follows when you find yourself trusting it to be true.... When it is true!

 

[sawdust]

With that kind of absurd reasoning, neither did A&E have to trust God when they were in their state of innocence! Was Jesus the Federal Head of His people supposed to emulate CV5's super hero in the Garden and sin first before trusting his Father's promises?

Are you kidding? Adam and Eve didn't have to trust God? You think they were relying on themselves to grow the garden? I thought you were smarter than this. We trust in God to give us our next breath. You speak of God's sovereignty then make silly statements. And your last statement seems to contradict your first.

 

[Genez]

I'm playing your own game.

Me too..
After a while, you get to see what it is.

 

[Rufus]

When you sin, and refuse to admit your sin to God? (1 John 1:9)
You become as good as dead spiritually.
Grieving the Spirit, is stage one.

Stage two?
When it becomes chronic?
You then enter into quenching the Spirit.

That is why Paul wrote in Ephesians 5:14 ...

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This is why it is said:​

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“Wake up, sleeper,​

rise from the dead,​

and Christ will shine on you.”​

Arrogance keeps the Christian spiritually dead, yet can be emotionally supercharged.

“To the angel of the church in Sardis write:​

These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. ​

I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead." Rev 3:1​

Spiritually dead believers can become dogmatic while pumping out their favorite memorized dogma.


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A person cannot be Christian who is spiritually dead, since God isn't the God or the Father of the Dead. The only Dead people in this world are unbelievers in Adam. But if someone is in Last Adam (a Christian for example ), then by sheer virtue of his MYSTICAL UNION with Christ, He has been made alive -- just as much as Christ is alive! The Son himself has given him Life since Jesus himself is Life!

 

[sawdust]

So believing the Gospel is neither trusting God or having faith in Him? I guess Abraham must be roasting in hell since he "merely" believed God and God justified the patriarch for believing Him, instead of having faith or trusting in Him. But you are desperately tying to make a distinction without any differences

You really do not hear a word I say. So be it.

grace and peace.

 

[Rufus]

Are you kidding? Adam and Eve didn't have to trust God? You think they were relying on themselves to grow the garden? I thought you were smarter than this. We trust in God to give us our next breath. You speak of God's sovereignty then make silly statements. And your last statement seems to contradict your first.

Hey, you're the one who basically said that sinners didn't have to believe.

 

[Genez]

So believing the Gospel is neither trusting God or having faith in Him? I guess Abraham must be roasting in hell since he "merely" believed God and God justified the patriarch for believing Him, instead of having faith or trusting in Him. But you are desperately tying to make a distinction without any differences

Gadzooks, you're weird.

The devil is to be found in the details.

 

[Rufus]

You really do not hear a word I say. So be it.

grace and peace.

I heard you fine, thank you. You're the one who tried to make a false dichotomy between believing and faith.

 

[Genez]

Are you kidding? Adam and Eve didn't have to trust God? You think they were relying on themselves to grow the garden? I thought you were smarter than this. We trust in God to give us our next breath. You speak of God's sovereignty then make silly statements. And your last statement seems to contradict your first.

They had no reason not to trust.
For they had not yet any knowledge of evil.

 

[Genez]

They didn't hear God and neither were they taught by Him. They merely understood of the existence of God through nature and conscience.

It works every time.
Play stupid.

Or? You are not acting?

 

[sawdust]

still interesting you ignore the without faith part

Still interesting you never learn anything and don't actually discuss the scriptures which is what the forum is about but would rather nick pick on people. How about you come back when you have some decent teaching and can actually discuss.

Try showing how what I said was wrong, not simply throw stones.

 

[Rufus]

Gadzooks, you're weird.

The devil is to be found in the details.

No, your buddy sawdust is out to lunch trying to make a false dichotomy between believing and faith. According to Rom 4:23, Gal 3:6 and Jas 2:23, Abraham didn't exercise faith. He only believed God which according to your comrade isn't the same as faith.

 

[sawdust]

They had no reason not to trust.
For they had not yet any knowledge of evil.

I agree, trust was "automatic" at that stage. They didn't have to think about it, they knew God provided all things. It wasn't until a certain serpent suggested God might be withholding on them did mistrust enter.

 

[Rufus]

From the Bible Itself:

3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled in them that perish:
4 in whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of the unbelieving...


Tell me, who is the lower case [(god)] of this world?

The fact From your post shows you think this is the Father in Heaven when in reality it is Satan who blinds the unbelievers.

You condemned me when the Bible proves me correct.

You have just proven your doctrine is False and your knowledge of the Bible is horrible.

But at the same time, can the evil one do anything in this world apart from God signing off on it?

 

[Rufus]

When I come to this thread, the irony is beyond belief, the crew that harps about not hearing, blindness and on and on are they themselves blinded, maybe.

I am coming to the conclusion that some are knowingly pushing a false soteriology.

I find really hard to believe it could be blindness anymore, especially after all the scripture and excellent arguments in context that plainly destroy their false soteriology.

Who would even want to believe that nonsense, that God creates a certain elite group of people for salvation. ughh!!

But you're so blind that you cannot see that your other three fingers are pointing back at you!

 

[Genez]

The Bible was written for Satan?

Well, you're reading it.

Why not?

In part, it included him in the writing.

 

[Cameron143]

So? You are still ignoring that it is God who shows them. Why can't you accept that? How He does it is not the issue, He is responsible for their knowing.

Rom.1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

God hasn't revealed to them personally that Jesus is the Christ. He has shown them through creation and conscience of His existence. It isn't that God hasn't shown them, it's that He hasn't revealed Christ to them. Nature and conscience do not proclaim the gospel and are limited in what they reveal concerning God. When is the last time someone was saved looking at a tree?