your being clever, your imagination is outstanding. I suspect you have been truly enlightened by 5 watt light bulb, mines a 1000 watts, so there
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Interesting that you don't notice the without part
It says without faith it is impossible to please God. Then it says one must believe 3 things before they get to the faith that pleases.
1. God exists.
2. God is good.
3. God is merciful.
Anyone who does not believe those three things about God will never reach the faith that pleases God.
You must believe before you come and have faith. Faith is a gift. It is not given to those who do not believe.
Interesting you don't understand this.
Actually that is precisely what Jesus did tell Nicodemus. Unless you're born from above you cannot see (understand) the kingdom of God. How can one exercise genuine faith in any object they can't understand? Birth and Faith occur simultaneously.
And the Son chose to reveal the Father to the Romans 1 type but they chose to reject Him. Go figure.
All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. Matthew 11 v 27
What a waste of wattage since both require the same amount of voltage to work. That means most of yours is wasted. Kind of like your doctrine.
What's even more interesting is that you can't understand that many religious people in the world (even professing Christians) believe those 3 items, yet still don't believe the Gospel.
With that kind of absurd reasoning, neither did A&E have to trust God when they were in their state of innocence! Was Jesus the Federal Head of His people supposed to emulate CV5's super hero in the Garden and sin first before trusting his Father's promises?
I did say (maybe to you can't remember now) that regeneration and faith occur simultaneously. But you confuse our believing with faith. Faith is the word working in our hearts because we believe upon it and God has decided He will only join Himself to believers. The word that produces faith only occurs within those who believe. Faith is certainty, (Heb.11:1) our believing (an act of our will) is an acceptance of the truth but has no power (in and of itself) to produce truth/reality, that requires the word of God, hence the word + belief = Faith.
Nonsense! Man comes into this world in bondage to his sin nature, and we have zero power to change that immutable nature.
So? You are still ignoring that it is God who shows them. Why can't you accept that? How He does it is not the issue, He is responsible for their knowing.
Rom.1:19
because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
So believing the Gospel is neither trusting God or having faith in Him? I guess Abraham must be roasting in hell since he "merely" believed God and God justified the patriarch for believing Him, instead of having faith or trusting in Him.
But you are desperately tying to make a distinction without any differences
You are correct. I searched and search using you exact wording but found no verses which proclaim such nonsense!
What I do find are passages such as Matt 19:26 which tells us clearly - But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Perhaps you should learn to read, there are schools to help with that disability. . . . .
Romans 7 v 14, John 8 v 34, Jeremiah 13 v 23, Romans 3 v 10 ~ We know that the law is spiritual; but
I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, everyone who sins is a slave to sin.” Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Neither are you able to do good - you who are accustomed to doing evil. There is no one righteous, not even one.
Then if there is no power to those who do not believe, how did you receive the power of regeneration? According to you, you believed after you were born again?
It is God Who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose. Apart from Me you can do nothing. No word from God will ever fail. “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”
I know that nothing good lives in my flesh... For the flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. Each of us has become like something unclean, and our iniquities carry us away like the wind. Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one. No one is good except God alone. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit. “What is impossible with man is possible with God.” from: Romans 7 v 18, Galatians 5 v 17, Isaiah 64 v 6, Job 14 v 4, Mark 10 v 18, Matthew 7 v 18, Luke 18 v 27