Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

Amen!

And their key Verse says If it is hid or vieled.
It doesn't say that it is actually hid but IF.

So they have built a doctrine off a Verse that literally proves them wrong. They have to completely ignore the fact that this scenario is based off of IF. Talk about building a foundation on sand!

yep ...

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost

and once the gospel is revealed, it is no longer "hid" ... those who remain lost are the ones who suppress the truth in unrighteousness when the gospel is revealed.

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[reneweddaybyday]

And His conditions for those He saves are...... that there are no conditions except being chosen by Him for salvation.
That's precisely why He sent Jesus Christ as THE Savior.

John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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[HeIsHere]

And His conditions for those He saves are...... that there are no conditions except being chosen by Him for salvation.
That's precisely why He sent Jesus Christ as THE Savior.

Yes you are so very special, chosen by god for salvation.

 

[Magenta]

Spiritually dead men don't choose to believe that which they find foolish and are naturally opposed to.

 

[Magenta]

Romans 8 verse 29-30; Ephesians 1 verse 5 ~ Those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified. He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will.

 

[Jordon]

well, I was in a discussion with you ... I was quoted by BillyBob ... here's the post ... you tell me who Magenta was referring to:




here's the next falsehood:



I have shown Magenta the first 10 posts submitted by me in this thread ... you've seen them if you took the time to read them ... where did I lie? where did I falsely accuse anyone?

You need to wake up and smell the coffee ... at worst, Magenta lied and falsely accused her sister in Christ ... at best, something said by another poster was attributed to me by Magenta. God searches our hearts ... God examines our reasonings ... nothing is hid from God ...

Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward each person according to their conduct, according to what their deeds deserve.




as far as misrepresenting her faith ... I explain my understanding of Scripture and Magenta is free to explain her understanding of Scripture. I focus on the Scripture at issue ... not the particular sect of the person to whom I respond.

as far as I'm concerned, all who are born again are members in particular in the body of the Lord Jesus Christ over which He is the Head. There's only one body ... maybe if we'd remember that truth when we're discussing Scripture, there'd be less hostility in the threads.

as far as "falsely labeling her this nasty calvinist" ... please provide the post submitted by me where I ever labelled her. I refer to Magenta by her chosen moniker ...
I refer to you by your chosen moniker ... Genez by his chosen moniker ... sawdust ... cv5 ... GWH ... Rufus ... Cameron143 ... whoever I reply to, I use their chosen moniker. name-calling does nothing to encourage healthy engagement in discussion.





it would be better for Magenta to come clean ... she is free to say she misspoke or she was referring to a different person who entered the thread ... maybe she'll think twice before slinging fiery darts in the future ...





I have never claimed she does not have the right to defend her faith ... but Magenta does not have the right to make slanderous statements ... instead of owning up to her error, she remains mum and leaves you, while valiantly trying to protect her, to clean up after her.


Ephesians 4:29-32

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

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well for arguments sake if your continuously citing scripture against her, and if you have for along time, how is she suppose to feel when thats all that many other people do,

Are you any different in that score ?

I get the impression your not, and you feel just as obliged to call people out as she does, so really the bottom line here is, if she's upset you, you've more than made your point by now,

But by the looks of things you've also upset her.

And I know with some people depending on how you upset that person, depends on how they react, maybe you've upset some of her friends as well.

But your not taking any notice to seriousness of her faith being deliberately miss represented.

You haven't acknowledged that I asked you the question and you took it personally again, which suggests you are a bit to sensitive at times.

 

[Magenta]

Where does it say everyone? My Bible says whosoever believes.

Yes... and my Bible says also that those given to Jesus by God will come to Him.

And also that the natural man can neither submit to nor obey God. That narrows it down...

 

[rogerg]

So odd that she claims God is right and fair when she belly aches about how unfair He is and contradicts
many verses that plainly outlay how one is saved. For instance she says everyone hears when they do not,
and since faith comes by hearing, hearing is pretty important. Jesus said He came to open the ears of the
deaf but in her theology nobody is deaf. The whole world is blinded but same same, to her everyone sees.

Absolutely agree, Magenta. It is also strange that she (and others) thinks that man has the capacity to make themselves truly believe
by willing it to themselves. She ignores all of the verses which state that it originates only from God alone not the person, so should someone truly believe, it is because that belief was given to them by God. When they read a verse such as "believe and ye shall be saved" (or similar) - which their assessment of is incorrect for a variety of reasons - but mainly because they neglect to realize it is beyond man's ability to what the verse requires them to do.

 

[Genez]

Its hid to the natural man, everyone is born a natural man

That was the point.

They keep saying that they can not get saved, though they themselves did.

Go figure ....

 

[rogerg]

Yes you are so very special, chosen by god for salvation.

Yes, and not just me but a multitude that no man could number - not because of our righteousness, but because of Christ's.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, and not just me but a multitude that no man could number - not because of our righteousness, but because of Christ's.

Righteousness Of Christ ~ “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” You were dead in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. The Son gives life to whom He is pleased to give it. If Christ is in you, your spirit is alive because of righteousness. We put on the righteousness of Christ.

 

[Jordon]

That was the point.

They keep saying that they can not get saved, though they themselves did.

Go figure ....

go figure huh, you can't even accept God can make a person believe and harp on as if that's a crime

 

[rogerg]

Righteousness Of Christ ~ “The work of God is this: to believe in the One He has sent.” You were dead in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, in which you used to walk when you conformed to the ruler of the power of the air, the spirit who is now at work in the sons of disobedience. The Son gives life to whom He is pleased to give it. If Christ is in you, your spirit is alive because of righteousness. We put on the righteousness of Christ.

Yes, and whomever attempts to satisfy the law of faith with a man-produced faith, places themselves in direct violation to the law of liberty in Christ, which is a violation of Christ, and by which, unless they are led to repentance by God, will come into God's judgement because of it.

[Jas 1:25 KJV] 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
[Jas 2:12 KJV] 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

 

[Jordon]

That was the point.

They keep saying that they can not get saved, though they themselves did.

Go figure ....

what I want to know is, what is it you blame God for your in your life, as I can't see why anyone would say I will not apologise until I get an apology of God, unless such a person is blaming God for something, or feels as if they haven't Got an answer of God for something that's happened in there life, or something that is happening.

So why don't you do us all a favour and tell us what really is your issue with your walk with God.

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, and not just me but a multitude that no man could number - not because of our righteousness, but because of Christ's.

Oh right, focus on me, not the multitude that no one can number, who were NOT chosen.. god hated them, denied them special unique

enlightenment and why should you care even if they may be family they were destined for hell anyway.

 

[HeIsHere]

Absolutely agree, Magenta. It is also strange that she (and others) thinks that man has the capacity to make themselves truly believe
by willing it to themselves. She ignores all of the verses which state that it originates only from God alone not the person, so should someone truly believe, it is because that belief was given to them by God. When they read a verse such as "believe and ye shall be saved" (or similar) - which their assessment of is incorrect for a variety of reasons - but mainly because they neglect to realize it is beyond man's ability to what the verse requires them to do.

Wrong again.

 

[Magenta]

Yes, and whomever attempts to satisfy the law of faith with a man-produced faith, places themselves in direct violation to the law of liberty in Christ, which is a violation of Christ, and by which, unless they are led to repentance by God, will come into God's judgement because of it.

[Jas 1:25 KJV] 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
[Jas 2:12 KJV] 12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

She calls coming to believe making a moral decision because she believes she and man in general is good when God says none are, and Scripture also says -in the words of Jesus no less- that a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit, of course she denies what Jesus has said in a number of places... all good things come from God, she even denies that, faith is not a good thing in her understanding, and even denies that the gospel is a spiritual matter. We have also been told the gospel is not a deep thing of God, so many LIES told by the FWers it is disgraceful, of course many of these come back to who is the natural man, and we have seen so many try to just erase him from reality like he does not exist at all, as if everyone is indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God! Their lack of discernment is truly cause for concern when some of these people put themselves forward as having understanding that qualifies them to teach others. FWers love to rewrite:

The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians ch 2 v 14

 

[rogerg]

Oh right, focus on me, not the multitude that no one can number, who were NOT chosen.. god hated them, denied them special unique

enlightenment and why should you care even if they may be family they were destined for hell anyway.

Guess you just don't believe/trust in Christ as the Savior who saves sent by God for that exact purpose. Very odd for a Christian to believe that and to admit to it.

 

[Magenta]

Guess you just don't believe/trust in Christ as the Savior who saves sent by God
for that exact purpose. Very odd for a Christian to believe that and to admit to it.

She views things from the perspective of the flesh.

 

[rogerg]

She calls coming to believe making a moral decision because she believes she and man in general is good when God says none are, and Scripture also says -in the words of Jesus no less- that a bad tree cannot bring forth good fruit, of course she denies what Jesus has said in a number of places, all good things come from God, she even denies that, faith is not a good thing in her understanding, and even denies that the gospel is a spiritual matter. We have also been told the gospel is not a deep thing of God, so many LIES told by the FWers it is disgraceful, of course many of these come back to who is the natural man, and we have seen so many try to just erase him from reality like he does not exist at all, as if everyone is indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God! Their lack of discernment is truly cause for concern when some of these people put themselves forward as having understanding that qualifies them to teach others.

To believe is not a moral decision of any kind nor at any level as being one that can be made by man. One either believes or they do not- choice is not an option. Can someone force themselves to believe in that which they do not believe in? No! So, given that she rejects the most fundamental of Christian doctrines, it is no wonder that she would reject doctrines and pervert doctrines that God built upon them.