Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Jordon said:
All I can say is perhaps your taking things to heart to much,
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nope ... I'm asking Magenta to prove her claims.




Jordon said:
Magenta has been very consistent in showing people's there height of ignorance here in a good way to may I add , and you should be aware that when people are calling people calvinists here there actually calling you evil, so in effect magenta has been called evil thousands of times here by these trashy comments,
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again ... the name-calling goes both ways Jordon.




Jordon said:
Now maybe she was talking about caring for children Herself which is a loving thing but yet people still call her evil, at this stage I'm more concerned as to why you should take it so personally ? And why you or sawdust should think it was aimed at you or her ?
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well, I know Magenta wasn't talking about BillyBob and BillyBob directly quoted me ... that's why I asked her to provide the post ... just to be clear as to who said what ... and whoever Magenta was quoting, did they actually state what Magenta claims?




Jordon said:
Anyhow what's more important is you ladies should be helping her and correcting these trashy comments from the men ganging up on her in there rightful place, that's how I see it.
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well from what I have seen in this thread ... the "trashy comments" go both ways and as far as I am concerned, Magenta's "trashy comment" about my having entered this thread "breathing out lies and false accusations" ... is nothing but Magenta "breathing out lies and false accusations" ... you can read the posts yourself ... I did not lie ... I did not falsely accuse anyone.

you also know I never stated anything about "mothers loving and caring for their children" being "evil" ... nothing but "trash talk" from Magenta concerning me.

If Magenta dishes it out, then Magenta better be able to take it ... and you should not be defending her and her "trash talk". Magenta can prove up or shut up ...

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I am not praying for the world, but for those You have given me, for they are Yours. John 17 v 9 I will give them a heart to know Me, that I am the LORD. They will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with all their heart. Jeremiah 24 v 7
 
reneweddaybyday said:
nope ... I'm asking Magenta to prove her claims.





again ... the name-calling goes both ways Jordon.





well, I know Magenta wasn't talking about BillyBob and BillyBob directly quoted me ... that's why I asked her to provide the post ... just to be clear as to who said what ... and whoever Magenta was quoting, did they actually state what Magenta claims?





well from what I have seen in this thread ... the "trashy comments" go both ways and as far as I am concerned, Magenta's "trashy comment" about my having entered this thread "breathing out lies and false accusations" ... is nothing but Magenta "breathing out lies and false accusations" ... you can read the posts yourself ... I did not lie ... I did not falsely accuse anyone.

you also know I never stated anything about "mothers loving and caring for their children" being "evil" ... nothing but "trash talk" from Magenta concerning me.

If Magenta dishes it out, then Magenta better be able to take it ... and you should not be defending her and her "trash talk". Magenta can prove up or shut up ...

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I think your more mature than this, I'm not fully sure what's gone on here but if you've actually been denying everything that magenta has said for longer than I know perhaps she feels like your calling her liar, now maybe you've also been speaking to her or about her like the way you have here for a long time, I don't know that either, but it seems to me you don't have much respect for her and your supporting the bullies who gang up on her, and I'm not sure why that is, but is it that you don't like Calvinism either ? Is that there real issues here has it been that way for some time, as the way I'm seeing this is, magenta has been referred to and talked and argued against on that base for quite some time,

And she has every right to call people liars who are falsely miss representing her faith and falsely labeling her this nasty calvinist all the time

It would be better for you to let things go really,.

The truth of the matter is she represents the word of God very well and is well grounded in the word,

And she like you has every right to defend her faith
 
rogerg said:
Think of it this way. You have a car; its tank has been filled with gas. You're the driver. You get to drive it wherever you want to.
Taking that analogy to your view of salvation, the gas in the tank is Jesus's sacrifice. You are the driver. As the driver, it is then
your prerogative to drive it wherever you want to since the tank has gas in it - you are the decision maker. The car doesn't drive itself or insist on where it wants to go. The gas is just a resource to be used or not. That is similar logically to your view of salvation. With it, it is up to you as to whether or not you will become saved, with salvation being a generally available resource as is the gas in the tank, it is available for use at your discretion. That, however, is not how salvation actually works. With true salvation, Christ is the driver, and He filled the tank. It is at His discretion entirely as to where He will go. You are standing beside the road that He is driving down. He may stop to pick you up or He may not. Whether He does or not is entirely up to Him, not you. Now, if you are His family member, He will definitely stop, if you aren't, He definitely won't. He is under no legal requirement to pick up anyone or everyone, only those whom He chooses to pick up which are His family members. No one besides Christ, has any say in whether He stops or not
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Your analogy does not fit reality.

That is why we labor and strive, because we have put our hope in the living God,​
who is the Savior of all people, and especially of those who believe. 1 Timothy 4:10​

Make it fit reality next time, before you try to ask such a question again.

They are so dumb, Lord. Why?
 
reneweddaybyday said:
brightfame52 said:
The Gospel is hid to them that are lost and so they believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4​
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3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:​
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4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.​
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While in a lost condition the gospel is hid from our minds by the devils blindness and we cant believe while lost. Now the antithesis is when in a saved condition [from the blindness of the devil] we believe.​




Even if a person hears the gospel and does not believe, the gospel is not hid from them by God ... that is why they are without excuse, because God has revealed it to them and they suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

When the gospel of Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, is preached one either believes or does not believe.

The one who believes receives the promised blessing.

The one who suppresses the truth in unrighteousness receives the consequence of having suppressed the truth.

Romans 1:16-19

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

the great satan is a legend in the mind of some folks ... they've got satan more powerful than God ... smh ...

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Amen!

And their key Verse says If it is hid or vieled.
It doesn't say that it is actually hid but IF.

So they have built a doctrine off a Verse that literally proves them wrong. They have to completely ignore the fact that this scenario is based off of IF. Talk about building a foundation on sand!
 
Jackson129 said:
What i dont understand is the super deterministic group says they are predestined or chosen. They dont even have to repent. It wouldn't matter even if they did. They just go to heaven no matter what. Man has no responsibility in the salvation process.
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Emphasis on "super." Whatever makes you feel better. The rest of your comments is a complete misrepresentation. God's sovereignty and man's responsibility are not at odds with each other.
 
rogerg said:
Did you change my post to replace "his" with "free willers" to make it sound like I wrote that or not?
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It sounds like you are trolling rather than discussing, so never mind, because I don't want to argue.

My point was that we MFWers do NOT ignore the Gospel in Romans 1-11, especially Romans 3:20-5:1,
but TULIPists pervert it into a false dogma by misinterpreting Romans 9:11-22 out of context, especially ignoring Romans 2:11.
 
NightTwister said:
Emphasis on "super." Whatever makes you feel better. The rest of your comments is a complete misrepresentation. God's sovereignty and man's responsibility are not at odds with each other.
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Hey we agree on something. There is hope haha. I agree God's sovereignty and man's responsibility are not at odds. I spent half the day arguing that infact. The conversation was about man having 0% responsibility in anything because it would go against his sovereignty as a savior.
 
lrs68 said:
I won't receive a lie made up from man made doctrine. Show me Scripture that says it word for word not some hodge podge you made up in your mind.
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It seems to me that you wont receive scripture testimony, which is the Gospel is hid to the lost 2 Cor 4:3-4
 
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Jackson129 said:
Hey we agree on something. There is hope haha. I agree God's sovereignty and man's responsibility are not at odds. I spent half the day arguing that infact. The conversation was about man having 0% responsibility in anything because it would go against his sovereignty as a savior.
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Does man have a responsibility in getting saved ?
 
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lrs68 said:
Amen!

And their key Verse says If it is hid or vieled.
It doesn't say that it is actually hid but IF.
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It makes a definite statement, because many are definitely lost. Aint no ifs about it. In fact all men are born lost, and remain so until and if God saves them.
 
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brightfame52 said:
Does man have a responsibility in getting saved ?
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Yes. The Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas “What must I do to be saved?” (Acts 16:30) Their reply regarding his responsibility was this: “Believe in the Lord Jesus.” (Acts 16:31) This is GRFS in a nutshell.

Jesus Himself expressed GRFS or man's responsibility even more succinctly using three, four and five letter words: “Ask… seek… knock…” (Matt. 7:7) and “Repent” (Matt. 4:17). This indicates that God graces every sinful soul with the ability or opportunity to repent and seek salvation (cf. 1Tim. 2:3-4, 2Tim. 2:25, Ezek. 33:11, cf. Rev. 3:5), which might be called “seeking grace” (Tit. 2:11).

As Hebrews 11:6 states: “he [God] rewards those who earnestly seek him” (cf. Isa. 45:19). Seeking God is the beginning of saving faith, and not repenting or rejecting God’s salvation in Christ is the essence of evil atheism or faith in I-dolatry (Rom. 3:11, 1:18-23). Jesus defined saving faith as love for God (Matt. 22:37) or reflecting God’s love (John 15:9-12, 1John 4:19). All humans hate or sin, but every sinner/hater has the opportunity and thus the responsibility to repent or have saving faith/love (John 6:29, Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:5-19, Gal. 5:22-23).
 
Jackson129 said:
Hey we agree on something. There is hope haha. I agree God's sovereignty and man's responsibility are not at odds. I spent half the day arguing that infact. The conversation was about man having 0% responsibility in anything because it would go against his sovereignty as a savior.
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We don't agree on a way you think. Good is 100% sovereign, and man is 100% responsible.

God elected and then created certain people and saves them.

All men are spiritually dead and cannot save themselves or even contribute to that salvation. God makes these men spiritually alive and they simply respond because it is their new nature to do so.

All men are responsible because God through nature has made himself known to them.

They unelect remain spiritually dead and never respond to the genuine offer of salvation because it is against their nature to do so.
 
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