Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Rufus said:
The passage above does not teach that God loves sinners. The "proof text" you provide is about people's love. :rolleyes: You're truly grasping at straws by citing this passage.
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If God dosent love sinners why did he save any of them?
 
Genez said:
Where is your chapter and verses?

Besides, you are not out of the world, until removed.
Until removed? You are going to be the world.

Ephesians 2:4-6
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But God, being [so very] rich in mercy, because of His great and wonderful love with which He loved us, ​
even when we were [spiritually] dead and separated from Him because of our sins, He made us [spiritually] alive together with Christ (for by His grace—His undeserved favor and mercy—you have been saved from ​
God’s judgment). And He raised us up together with Him [when we believed], and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, [because we are] in Christ Jesus.​
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This when we first became not of this world!

And He raised us up together with Him [when we believed], and seated us with Him in the heavenly places, [because we are] in Christ Jesus.​
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You could use some lessons in what constitutes positional truth vs experiential truth.
For you make no distinction and end up being over condidently confused.

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One's POSITION in Christ was fully determined in Eternity by divine decree and, therefore, long precedes "experiential truth" (2Tim 1:9-10).
 
Jackson129 said:
If God dosent love sinners why did he save any of them?
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Because of the real Hero in scripture who goes by the name of Jesus, who just "coincidentally" happens to be the Federal Head of God's chosen people. God also saved sinners AND condemned sinners in eternity ultimately for His glory. God is glorified by the Cross of Christ both in terms of his love and justice which are not opposed to one another.
 
Cameron143 said:
Awesome. So where is the text that states God sent the armies of Israel to evangelize Jericho?
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I'll start with this line. Even for this purpose have i raised thee up that my name might be declared though all the land. All those kings getting smashed on in the old testament is a form of evangelism. In fact I bet more Christianity was evangelized at the end of a sword than any other way. Judgment and war is one way the word is spread. Its not how it is thought of today but that is how alot of it spread. That being said I do belive Jericho was judgment. Evangelism was a byproduct of what happened there.
 
Rufus said:
Because of the real Hero in scripture who goes by the name of Jesus, who just "coincidentally" happens to be the Federal Head of God's chosen people. God also saved sinners AND condemned sinners in eternity ultimately for His glory. God is glorified by the Cross of Christ both in terms of his love and justice which are not opposed to one another.
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So he loved some of them
 
Genez said:
Are you saying that to mean, the Bible?
You are living proof that it does not work that way.

And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, ​
and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ​
ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ." Ephesians 4:11-12​

It does not say....

And He Himself gave us the Bible (which is a translation with some misleading ​
readings and mistakes) to be read, and subjectively abused by unstable religious people.​

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You sound more and more like the elitist Pharisees, scribes and lawyers of Christ's day who insisted that the people listen to them. And then later on in history, the Catholic Church with its "priests" adopted the philosophy. Read Ps 119 someday. But if that Psalm is too much for you to handle then try Mat 4:4; Lk 4:4. And then follow the example of the Bereans who didn't blindly take the word of third party teachers/preachers (Act 17:11).
 
Jackson129 said:
So he loved some of them
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Because of Christ He did! God sees his chosen people through the life and redemptive Cross work of Christ. God identifies the Body of Christ with Christ himself the Head! It's called Federal Headship.
 
Look for that sermon excerpt anywhere else. You WILL not find it. And the cadence of the speech isn't Paul's. That's the danger about all this AI. They have already been creating fake sermons by numerous people. That's why I don't listen to any sermons where I can't see the person speaking OR that isn't posted by a legitimate source.
 
cv5 said:
You get.....nothing. From me. Its over.

Mat 13:1
The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
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you still haven't acknowledged if all the armies whom Joshua defeated, came to the lord out of fear 🤕

A nicer way to enscribe evangelism is to spread Gods word to help convert others.

These where bloody battles man.

Your motive of Evangelism looks like destruction here little buddy
 
Rufus said:
One's POSITION in Christ was fully determined in Eternity by divine decree and, therefore, long precedes "experiential truth" (2Tim 1:9-10).
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God has saved us and called us to a holy life - not because of anything we have done but because of His own purpose and grace. Jesus Christ is the author and perfecter of my faith, which was not by my will, effort or desire.
 
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Rufus said:
Your explanations are useless because God's grace was given to His elect IN CHRIST in eternity -- before any of us existed. Therefore, the basis for humility must be Christ himself.
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I don't know if we will agree on everything since I don't know anything about you outside of this discussion but I believe we would have good talks. Haha. I appreciate the way you have communicated issues here.
 
cv5 said:
As you have admitted (many many times), you have zero comprehension of the existence of these passages, what is the intended message is, what is actually happening here and why.

Doubtless the viewing audience will pick up the significance, whereas you and your crew will deny and revile.

[Jos 10:1 KJV]
Now it came to pass, when Adonizedek king of Jerusalem had heard how Joshua had taken Ai, and had utterly destroyed it; as he had done to Jericho and her king, so he had done to Ai and her king; and how the inhabitants of Gibeon had made peace with Israel, and were among them;

[Jos 10:2 KJV]
That they feared greatly, because Gibeon [was] a great city, as one of the royal cities, and because it [was] greater than Ai, and all the men thereof [were] mighty.

[Jos 10:4 KJV]
Come up unto me, and help me, that we may smite Gibeon: for it hath made peace with Joshua and with the children of Israel.

[Jos 10:5 KJV]
Therefore the five kings of the Amorites, the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, the king of Eglon, gathered themselves together, and went up, they and all their hosts, and encamped before Gibeon, and made war against it.

[Jos 10:6 KJV]
And the men of Gibeon sent unto Joshua to the camp to Gilgal, saying, Slack not thy hand from thy servants; come up to us quickly, and save us, and help us: for all the kings of the Amorites that dwell in the mountains are gathered together against us.

[Jos 10:10 KJV]
And the LORD discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.

[Jos 10:12 KJV]
Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
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Off topic. We were discussing Jericho. Where are the scriptures that say God sent the armies of Israel to Jericho for evangelism?
 
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