I wonder if you will accept my correction to your misunderstanding of what I believe as pointed out in post #15158?
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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I wonder if you will accept my correction to your misunderstanding of what I believe as pointed out in post #15158?
So the basis for who He chooses to save are those who He chooses to sovereignly regenerate, damn the rest?
The wages of which is death and why we are born dead in sin and need saving from that death so we no longer have to be led by our sinful flesh.
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
We still sin but we will never die spiritually again. It's being saved from (spiritual) death that ensures we will be saved from physical death in the resurrection. Unbelievers don't get that guarantee they will die physically twice because they were never saved from spiritual death. That is why the lake of fire is called the second death.
You cannot be saved from your sins without being saved from death. It is being made spiritually alive, no longer a carnal being, that keeps us from our sins.
I repeat, to say being made spiritually alive is not salvation is crazy thought.
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked
according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:1-2
grace and peace .........
I know. For you it is regeneration>salvation>belief.
For me it is belief>salvation. God promised to save believers. Salvation is achieved by regeneration. To be made alive is to be saved from death, now we can proceed to be saved from our sin (also known as sanctification). The first saves us from the legacy of Adam's sin, spiritual death, the latter from our own sins and the death it brings to our lives and the lives of others.
At least Mr. Studier learned something at seminary: Projection! He has mastered the art!
It is a glaring, obvious, laughable and palm to the face flaw in reformed theory.
So a regenerated person could possibly end up in the LoF. They didn't get saved afterward.
It is beyond silly.
We need saving from sins. I gave you the verse. Do you have a verse that we are saved from death? Jesus grants life and saves from sins.The wages of which is death and why we are born dead in sin and need saving from that death so we no longer have to be led by our sinful flesh.
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
We still sin but we will never die spiritually again. It's being saved from (spiritual) death that ensures we will be saved from physical death in the resurrection. Unbelievers don't get that guarantee they will die physically twice because they were never saved from spiritual death. That is why the lake of fire is called the second death.
You cannot be saved from your sins without being saved from death. It is being made spiritually alive, no longer a carnal being, that keeps us from our sins.
I repeat, to say being made spiritually alive is not salvation is crazy thought.
God may have walked them out and away from their slave masters in Egypt.
But, they were still slaves in their mentality.
Slavery to themselves is why they worshiped the golden calf and were running wild.
Always complaining and griping about various things.
They were still slaves in how they emoted and thought.
That is why God killed off almost all those adults of that generation, leaving the wilderness strewn with dead bodies wherever they went.
Slavery is a state of mind.
One can be a slave to needing to prove himself right.
Even when he does not know what he is doing.
You hypocrite! You pay the Lord mere lip service! Don't you know that no one is saved BY God's grace? Man's efficacious "freewill" saves him! Not a single gracious New Covenant promise is given and fulfilled by God to any professing believer until AFTER a person chooses to believe. God never actively saves anyone. He's simply a reactionary God. He merely reacts to man's sovereign, libertarian will AFTER the SAVING choice of sinners.
You need to understand what FWT is all about. And it's not about God. God is on the backburner. Man is on the front burner. Man is the captain of his ship; God is merely along for the ride.
Right. It says He gives life to the spiritually dead. That's regeneration; not salvation.
Did you not see the verse @Genez supplied? Here is it again.
And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked
according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:1-2
Explain how we can be saved form our sins if first we are not saved from death and how the latter is not salvation?