Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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sawdust said:
I know. For you it is regeneration>salvation>belief.

For me it is belief>salvation. God promised to save believers. Salvation is achieved by regeneration. To be made alive is to be saved from death, now we can proceed to be saved from our sin (also known as sanctification). The first saves us from the legacy of Adam's sin, spiritual death, the latter from our own sins and the death it brings to our lives and the lives of others.
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Wrong again.
Regeneration
Belief
Salvation
Can you show a verse that says Regeneration saves someone?
 
Genez said:
God may have walked them out and away from their slave masters in Egypt.
But, they were still slaves in their mentality.

Slavery to themselves is why they worshiped the golden calf and were running wild.
Always complaining and griping about various things.
They were still slaves in how they emoted and thought.

That is why God killed off almost all those adults of that generation, leaving the wilderness strewn with dead bodies wherever they went.

Slavery is a state of mind.

One can be a slave to needing to prove himself right.
Even when he does not know what he is doing.
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You didn't answer my question: Did God coerce, force, kidnap or intimidate the Hebrews to leave Egypt or did HE graciously rescue them, as the bible teaches?
 
Rufus said:
You hypocrite! You pay the Lord mere lip service! Don't you know that no one is saved BY God's grace? Man's efficacious "freewill" saves him! Not a single gracious New Covenant promise is given and fulfilled by God to any professing believer until AFTER a person chooses to believe. God never actively saves anyone. He's simply a reactionary God. He merely reacts to man's sovereign, libertarian will AFTER the SAVING choice of sinners.

You need to understand what FWT is all about. And it's not about God. God is on the backburner. Man is on the front burner. Man is the captain of his ship; God is merely along for the ride.
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You need to understand that no matter how we're saved we should be willing to shout our praises from the rooftops because we were going to burn for eternity and now we're not.

If you truly loved God you would understand your current praise and worship life is inadequate for an Eternal God.
 
sawdust said:
Did you not see the verse @Genez supplied? Here is it again.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked
according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:1-2

Explain how we can be saved form our sins if first we are not saved from death and how the latter is not salvation?
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It's regeneration. Salvation occurs at belief. How many people dead in their trespasses and sins believe?
 
sawdust said:
Did you not see the verse @Genez supplied? Here is it again.

And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked
according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air,
the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience." Ephesians 2:1-2

Explain how we can be saved form our sins if first we are not saved from death and how the latter is not salvation?
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A new term is needed today?

"Spiritual dementia."

We can not get angry at those suffering from dementia.
 
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brightfame52 said:
@sawdust



Because all were not of His sheep He died for See Jn 10:26
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He died for all. I won't continue to argue the point. You believe in Limited Atonement, I don't. Death and Hades is emptied because Christ died for the sin of the whole world. The Cross is the legal basis for releasing all men from death for judgement and evaluation.
 
Mem said:
Jacob didn't achieve it even as much as he wanted it, but he did obtain it by God's mercy, as he trusting in that or he would have let go before his hip was knocked out.
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Jacob "didn't achieve" diddly squat in Rom 9! His will or efforts are not in view in that chapter! You don't think Paul new the OT better than all of us put together!? Yet, he said what he said in that chapter in spite of the OT scriptures in order to explain the doctrine of election.
 
Cameron143 said:
Wrong again.
Regeneration
Belief
Salvation
Can you show a verse that says Regeneration saves someone?
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Showed you but you think being saved from death is not being saved so what hope is there.

If you are saved from your sins why do you still sin? Will you die again?
 
Cameron143 said:
It's regeneration. Salvation occurs at belief. How many people dead in their trespasses and sins believe?
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Believe WHAT?

That they are a sinner?
Or, believe in the Deity of the Trinity?

The natural man can be sure he is a sinner.
He does not need regeneration to know that.

On the other hand?
The teaching of the Deity of the Trinity is foolishness to him.

The natural man can not understand Bible teachings designed to feed those born again with.

The natural man can know that a man named Jesus was crucified.

The Gospel involves facts that are not beyond the scope of the natural man.
 
Yep, Paul explained Election by using those who were Elected. The ancient Hebrew Jew.
 
Rufus said:
You didn't answer my question: Did God coerce, force, kidnap or intimidate the Hebrews to leave Egypt or did HE graciously rescue them, as the bible teaches?
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I was telling you they were not rescued from slavery.
Only rescued from one form of slavery.

They just were moved by God to a new location, away from the Egyptian slave masters.
But they remained slaves!

Being a slave is a mental attitude.
The account of the Jews wandering 40 years in the wilderness is designed to teach us that principle.
 
sawdust said:
He died for all. I won't continue to argue the point. You believe in Limited Atonement, I don't. Death and Hades is emptied because Christ died for the sin of the whole world. The Cross is the legal basis for releasing all men from death for judgement and evaluation.
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Of course you believe in limited atonement! You believe the atonement is limited qualitatively, since Christ's death only potentially saves people. His atonement merely makes salvation possible since there is zero efficacy in his Cross work.
 
Cameron143 said:
Nope. Again, how many people dead in trespasses and sins believe?
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Those who don't prefer darkness when God shines His light by means of grace. Not everyone loves the dark. God's grace leads the lovers of light to the truth who is Christ. Like a moth to the flame.

John 3:20-21
20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. 21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen, that they have been done in God.”
 
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