Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[studier]

Hardly. We bring freewillers to row.

The only way to get somewhere meaningful.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Are you familiar at all with the fall of man? This is why he is hopeless and helpless.

“Are you familiar at all with the fall of man? This is why he is hopeless and helpless”

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t seem Hopeless

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems like they have hope eternal actually

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭

Seems like Jesus gave hope to the world that’s quickly dying and not only some

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Magenta]

The only way to get somewhere meaningful.

Meaningful to idolaters who reject the Truth of God's revealed written Word.

You arrive at untruth and believe it to be your destination.

 

[Cameron143]

The only way to get somewhere meaningful.

By meaningful you mean more man-centered religion.

 

[Rufus]

People love to sit in boats and float on the ocean. There is a sense of peace and calm found there unlike any some find
anywhere else. Boating is not all work. Of course some would not know this, especially if they have never been on a boat.
Then they might mock and scoff at the idea of any two people sitting in a boat waiting to see what happens. They present
it as if it is supposed to be some kind of a joke but really it just comes out of their hatred for those who uphold Biblical truth.
Built into this pretend "joke" is the rejection of God's sovereignty, and the fact that He moves in people's lives to bring
about His desired ends. I do not know why these heretics hate God's sovereignty so much. It seems built into their idolatry.

You nailed it perfectly! IDOLATRY which is rooted in PRIDE! FWers are like their spiritual daddy who wanted to be greater than God!

 

[Rufus]

Noah did not even have to collect up the animals. They all came to him.

Funny how God's efficacious power never fails in the physical world but falls terribly flat in the spiritual realm -- in fact DOA!

 

[Cameron143]

“Are you familiar at all with the fall of man? This is why he is hopeless and helpless”

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t seem Hopeless

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems like they have hope eternal actually

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭

Seems like Jesus gave hope to the world that’s quickly dying and not only some

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree that Jesus offers hope, but unless you are in Christ, according to Ephesians 2:12-13, those not in Him are...aliens...and strangers...having no hope, and without God in this world.

 

[Magenta]

I agree that Jesus offers hope, but unless you are in Christ, according to Ephesians 2:12-13,
those not in Him are...aliens...and strangers...having no hope, and without God in this world.

Children of wrath... following the desires of flesh and senses... perishing. Lost.

The good news is, that if they belong to Jesus, He will find them and He will save them.

Jesus answered, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick.” Luke 5 v 31 The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19 v 10 For the Son of Man came to save the lost. Matthew 18 v 11 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. Matthew 9 v 13b, Mark 2 v 17b I will seek the lost, bring back the strays, bind up the broken, and strengthen the weak; but the sleek and strong I will destroy. Ezekiel 34 v 16

 

[cv5]

“The sower soweth the word.

And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.

And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.

And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭4:14-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Need to keep that parable on file re:hearing. Thanks.

 

[cv5]

LOL, have you run out of sound rebuttals.

The outraged flailing commence!

 

[cv5]

Most obvious you take what I say and re-use it.
Try being novel.

Eerrrr..... imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?

 

[cv5]

LOL, have you run out of sound rebuttals.

Let he outraged flailing commence!

Sorry...blame the phone lol.

 

[HeIsHere]

By meaningful you mean more man-centered religion.

It is only man centered if created by man.

Traditional biblical, exegetical correct soteriology is not created by man, it is the logical and chronological plan of salvation given by God.

As already clearly presented.....

Acts 2:38: “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (NASB) [4].

God cannot perform the act of regeneration (an act of sanctification) in a person before he or she is justified.

God moves in with His sanctifying grace only after the guilt problem is satisfied by justification.

To argue otherwise is to violate the law of non-contradiction.
(a proposition and its negation cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense)

The logical order cannot be violated even by your feeble attempts to divide separate regeneration and life.

Seriously this dogma is horrible apposed to God's sovereign plan.

Best you abandon this sinking ship where sovereignty is not even remotely, correctly understood.

 

[Rufus]

“Are you familiar at all with the fall of man? This is why he is hopeless and helpless”

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

doesn’t seem Hopeless

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Seems like they have hope eternal actually

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

“For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭

Seems like Jesus gave hope to the world that’s quickly dying and not only some

“My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It's not hopeless since all things are possible with God! Notice I didn't say, "all things are possible via man's "freewill".

 

[Cameron143]

It is only man centered if created by man,

traditional biblical, exegetical correct soteriology is not created by man not, it is the logical and chronological plan of salvation given by God.

As already clearly presented.....

Acts 2:38: “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (NASB) [4].

God cannot perform the act of regeneration (an act of sanctification) in a person before he or she is justified.

God moves in with His sanctifying grace only after the guilt problem is satisfied by justification.

To argue otherwise is to violate the law of non-contradiction.
(a proposition and its negation cannot both be true at the same time and in the same sense)

The logical order cannot be violated even by your feeble attempts to divide separate regeneration and life.

Seriously this dogma is horrible apposed to God's sovereign plan.

Best you abandon this sinking ship where sovereignty is not even remotely, correctly understood.

Wow. Now it is your position that Christians should abandon truth. The sinking ship is the freewill ship. You won't be able to plug the holes by redefining words and emotional rants.

 

[Magenta]

It is only man centered if created by man

Which "free will" is.

"Free will" in the Bible? ~ Freedom is something believers are called to (Galatians 5 verse 13). We need Jesus to “set us free” (Galatians 5 verse 1). If Jesus has not freed us from the bondage of sin, then we are still slaves to sin (Romans 6 verses 6-7). Freedom is found in the presence of the Spirit (2 Corinthians 3 verse 17). Only Jesus can give us true freedom (John 8 verse 36). Only through His lovingkindness can we truly make choices unfettered by a nature that is inherently hostile toward God.

 

[studier]

By meaningful you mean more man-centered religion.

You’ve redefined half the dictionary and all the rules of logic—but at least you recognized in one brief moment of wisdom the need for faithful brothers to help get you to the destination. We were born of the Firstborn Servant and are led by His Spirit. So yes, sit back. We’ll get you there.

 

[Magenta]

Colossians 2 v 8, Romans 16 v 18, Romans 10 v 2, Proverbs 19 v 2a ~ See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, which are based on human tradition and the spiritual forces of the world rather than on Christ. For such people are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. For I testify about them that they are zealous for God, but not on the basis of knowledge. Zeal is no good without knowledge. They teach as doctrine the precepts of men.

 

[Magenta]

You’ve redefined half the dictionary and all the rules of logic—but at least you recognized in one brief moment of wisdom the need for faithful brothers to help get you to the destination. We were born of the Firstborn Servant and are led by His Spirit. So yes, sit back. We’ll get you there.

Redefining words is one of your favourite pastimes. Yes, strip the words of their main and plain
meanings so they better fit what you have been programmed to think. That is your methodology.
The Holy Spirit did not teach you to do this so you could contradict and deny what Scripture plainly says.
But somebody did.

 

[cv5]

Redefining words is one of your favourite pastimes. Yes, strip the words of their main and plain
meanings so they better fit what you have been programmed to think. That is your methodology.
The Holy Spirit did not teach you to do this so you could contradict and deny what Scripture plainly says.
But somebody did.

Eerrrrr does somebody want to tell her?
Magenta said:
"He can neither receive it."