Bizarre indeed. And dishonest of them. Some of them very much remind me of the atheists (et alia) I used to talk to, before I landed here.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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So long as you decide which is which. Cosmos nowhere in the Greek is referring to simply the whole of mankind.
It is indeed ubiquitous in the modern world of scholarship, I have faith this too shall pass.
It does not stand up to scrutiny and there is some exodus from these churches and seminaries as well, agree though we not out of the weeds yet so need to be discerning.
But there are many prominent voices now who follow context and good contextual analysis. proper hermeneutics, and hopefully the Calvinistic books go out of print really soon!!
1Cor2:14
I’ve been looking at all the references to psuchikos (soulish) used by Paul in 1Cor2:14. I’ve posted what Jude says about it and what James says about wisdom related to it. There's one other bit of information Paul provides about it. At some point I’ll post it.
I think @reneweddaybyday has covered the context well. I came to the same conclusions in an earlier post or posts. Others have addressed things like the language in the verse. The basic foundational Gospel is just not being specifically discussed in this verse.
I see something else in this verse we’re not discussing and it’s not a normal detail in general discussion assuming general definitions. But I think it’s important for the flow of the argument Paul is making and thus important for overall interpretations linking to the verse.
I’m working from the Greek, but I’m going to deal with it mainly in English. It has to do with the word, “and” (Greek “kai”). Here’s the definition from BDAG for “kai” that I’m going to be working with: ζ. to introduce a result that comes fr. what precedes: and then, and so.
This is not just common to Greek. It also applies to English “and”. Here’s an example: “I missed the bus, and I was late for work.” Here “and” doesn’t just list two unrelated facts - the second event is a result of the first. “and” introduces a result just as “kai” can do.
1Cor2:14 — How “and” (καί) shows result
Text in four clauses (with supplied words for English flow):
I’ve been looking at all the references to psuchikos (soulish) used by Paul in 1Cor2:14. I’ve posted what Jude says about it and what James says about wisdom related to it. There's one other bit of information Paul provides about it. At some point I’ll post it.
I think @reneweddaybyday has covered the context well. I came to the same conclusions in an earlier post or posts. Others have addressed things like the language in the verse. The basic foundational Gospel is just not being specifically discussed in this verse.
I see something else in this verse we’re not discussing and it’s not a normal detail in general discussion assuming general definitions. But I think it’s important for the flow of the argument Paul is making and thus important for overall interpretations linking to the verse.
I’m working from the Greek, but I’m going to deal with it mainly in English. It has to do with the word, “and” (Greek “kai”). Here’s the definition from BDAG for “kai” that I’m going to be working with: ζ. to introduce a result that comes fr. what precedes: and then, and so.
This is not just common to Greek. It also applies to English “and”. Here’s an example: “I missed the bus, and I was late for work.” Here “and” doesn’t just list two unrelated facts - the second event is a result of the first. “and” introduces a result just as “kai” can do.
1Cor2:14 — How “and” (καί) shows result
Text in four clauses (with supplied words for English flow):
- The soulish man does not welcome the [deep things – advanced teaching] of the Spirit of God.
- For they are foolishness to him.
- And so he is not able to know them.
- Because they are spiritually examined.
- Clause 1: The soulish man willfully refuses the Spirit’s teaching.
- Clause 2 (gar = “for”): His reason is that he considers it to be nonsense.
- Clause 3 (kai = “and so”): The result of this judgment is that he cannot truly know it.
- Clause 4 (hoti = “because”): The deeper reason for his inability is that these truths require spiritual discernment.
- Normally we read “and” as a simple connector. But Greek, like English, can use it to introduce a result: “I missed the bus, and so I was late.”
- That is what Paul is doing here. The man’s refusal of God’s wisdom as nonsense leads directly to his inability to grasp it.
- His starting point is that God’s wisdom is “foolishness.”
- Because of this judgment, he shuts himself off from understanding.
- His inability is simply the result of willful rejection of what he considers nonsense.
- The problem is not God preventing him, but his own presupposed thinking.
- The remedy is simple: stop dismissing God’s wisdom as nonsense and begin submitting to it.
- Human “wisdom” must yield to God’s wisdom revealed by the Spirit.
You want to fall from favour in your own eyes? Too funny! I don't believe it, though. You regard yourself and your idolatry too highly.It is indeed ubiquitous in the modern world of scholarship, I have faith this too shall pass.
This is laughable. Man, as a result of his own choices, renders himself helpless.
Care to work with the actual Text for once? You've failed logic miserably over the past few days.
I think I'll come back to this discussion when the comments reach 1000. I'm sure I won't have missed a thing.
Well it does refer to inhabitants of the world but if you prefer to live outside of reality not much I can do about it.
https://biblehub.com/greek/2889.htm
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They seem to have have proposed a problem nobody has suggested. Of course it is all
to overlook, contradict, and outright deny the fact that man is incapable. They want
and need and demand to have their view accepted that the man of flesh can and will
and does submit to God even though Scripture says he cannot and therefore will not.
If Christ died for the entire human race, then where in scripture is the redemptive covenant that God made with the entire human race? And where in scripture is the the gift of the Fear of the Lord promised to the entire human race? And if Christ died for all (Jn 3:16) in the distributive sense, then this means the entire human race is saved (Jn 3:17).
Tell that to Cornelius.
Oh right, Cornelius was regenerated before he ever heard the Gospel lol.
Or I am sure there is some other way to attempt and fail to explain it away.
“The sower soweth the word.
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness; and have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, and the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.”
Mark 4:14-20 KJV
Are you familiar at all with the fall of man? This is why he is hopeless and helpless.
Sometimes it is effective to answer a fool according to his/her own folly. Of course, they would need a level of understanding to "get" it.Most obvious you take what I say and re-use it.
Try being novel.
Proverbs 26 v 4-5 Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you yourself will be like him. 5Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he become wise in his own eyes.