Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
John 17 verses 2-3 ~ You granted Him authority over all people, so that He may give eternal life to all those You have given Him. Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, Whom You have sent.
We are saved by Christ's faith - His faith brought salvation - our belief comes from/by that. Beforehand we were dead in sin unable to believe. We have first to be given spiritual life which comes from salvation by His faith. The spiritually dead cannot give spiritual life to themselves
Creation does not proclaim the gospel .
Knowing there is a God does not save anyone.
It is knowing God that saves people.
Right, that's why it says those who learn of the father come to Christ. The only way they can learn of the father is through the spirit. So that right there tells us that unregenerate people do hear and learn from God.
Obedience to God's words is what saves people.
John 6 v 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
No, they can't:
[Mat 13:11, 13 KJV]
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. ...
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[Luk 1:77 KJV] 77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
It says no such thing. What Scripture explicitly says is that the natural man (as yet unregenerated) CANNOT
receive the spiritual things of God and is opposed to them. Nor can he submit to God or obey Him. You have
people submitting and obeying and believing what they deem to be foolishness while refusing to come into
the light as a lover of darkness and slave to sin captive to the will of the devil. He cannot understand because
these things are understood ONLY through the Spirit which the unregenerated person is devoid of.
You directly contradict Scripture. The natural man cannot obey. This is explicitly stated.
John 14 v 17a, Romans 8 v 6-9 ~ “Inability” in Bible. The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth. The mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace, because the mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the flesh cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. Praise be to God for calling me out of the world.
It is intellectually known in the temporal but not discerned spiritually
[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
John 3 verse 6, Romans 8 verse 7, Galatians 5 verse 17, 2 Timothy 3 verse 13, Romans 3 verse 18 ~ Flesh is born of flesh, but spirit is born of the Spirit. The mind of the flesh is hostile to God: It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. The flesh craves what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are opposed to each other. Evil men and imposters go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. There is no fear of God before their eyes.
No it's definitely spiritual. It can be heard, but not understood. How else do those who learn of the father come to Christ? They are led spiritually until their eyes are opened to the truth of the gospel
You directly contradict sripture by opposing against this
It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. John 6:45
Yep I've noticed, a lot of bible talk here gets thought of as these ideas, , i sense something going on, it's either some people know they are rejected by God, or they feal rejected,
God knows there hearts better than me, but I have seen enough people fighting God, to know that there not repenting.
You should be taken into account that its not moses who gave people bread in the desert the bread was given by the father in heaven to people
I believe there's most likely something each and every one of us either has misunderstanding, incorrectly translates, and tries to convince others it's the truth when pertaining towards the Bible.
I also believe quite a bit about the Bible holds no connection to our personal Salvation.
I believe many people are teaching things wrongfully ignorant but because it's not relative to Salvation they will be in Heaven.
In Plain English, I don't believe Voddie Baucham will be found guilty in a way that effects his Eternal Salvation in Heaven. And nothing truthfully taught from the Reformed Platform is Salvation damning because they teach that God did it all. The only significant issue would be being held accountable for sins after being Saved and not fulfilling the Great Commission should one believe God made them sin or since God picks and chooses who is saved so no sense being a witness for God.
But I have seen on several occasions where Voddie Baucham preached the need for God and people need to be saved.
I have learned that just because someone has been given a Platform to Preach and Teach in the Reformed Doctrine they don't necessarily preach and teach it 100% of the time. And many times they will even imply that choice is involved.
Like I said, one day I will see my Brother Voddie Baucham in Heaven and we will worship our God together!
A person is saved positionially by eternal divine decree. See Gen 3:15 when God decreed Eve's reconciliation apart from any faith on her part.
This is the way I see it.
Angels had their chance and failed. And then God restored the earth for the creation of mankind........... Satans appeal trial.
The freewill of mankind and choosing the Lord Jesus Christ puts another nail in Satan's coffin.
That's strange! I thought scripture said we were saved by grace.
Eph 2:8-9