Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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Then how do you explain how Jeremiah took us to the destruction of all men? (NO man was found).
And, also took us back to the destruction of the earth?
And, had to tell the Jews afterwards that they would not be utterly destroyed, like the destruction he had just presented?
There was an utter destruction of the earth that Jeremiah preached on.
Look here: https://hermeneutics.stackexchange....am-often-translated-inconsistently-in-genesis
Might also be? Jeremiah was making it known that no man had existed in the previous creation. (no man was found)
Ezekiel 28:13-14
You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone [was] your covering:
the sardius, topaz, and diamond, Beryl, onyx, and jasper, Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes was prepared for you on the day you were created.
You [were] the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; you were on the holy mountain of God; you walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
well aware of it.
fact remains your guy is dead wrong, Jeremiah uses exactly the regular word for man, and does not care that he sets scripture against itself since God calls Adam the first man.
this ain't something new. even Augustine has two chapters rebuking the idea, since some emperor had forsaken the faith and started spreading Egyptian creation fables.
it became quite popular in early US as a justification for racism, saying, key difference was that Adam was the first white man.
OK... Adam walked alone at first in the Garden.
And, it says that Satan was also was on the Holy Mountain of God... not just Eden.
That speaks of the first days of Satan.
Just like the first days of Adam he was alone.
and that the Eden of Satan was mineral, not biological.
no biological life until the third Yom
By the faith of Christ. Not by our faith
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Well, maybe "my guy" was wrong. I can accept that simply to avoid arguing with you and not change a thing. No man was to be found.
Now...
In Genesis 1:27? God created the man "out from nothing." = the soul.
In Genesi 2, God was not creating man out from nothing, but molded and formed (jatsar) from the earth a body for that soul.
So, you got something wrong about that racism problem. Genesis 1:27 and the body in Genesis 2 are both the same man. Not two different men as the racists like to push on us.
"My guy" was not differentiating between Genesis 1:27 (creation of only the soul), and Genesis 2 where the body was provided for that soul. For it was all one and the same man that God created, which took place in two stages to manifest him.
So? Either way you want to see it? No man was existing in the time Jeremiah spoke of in Jeremiah 4. But, we can know animals did.
And, Jeremiah stated that all was utterly destroyed! Nothing left!
That is why Jeremiah needed to back track after telling the Jews about what took place in Genesis 1:2.
For if Jeremiah had not? They would think the Jewish people would be wiped out and been no more.
Jeremiah 4:27, had to tell they Jews that they will not be utterly destroyed, like what Jeremiah spoke of to give the Jews an idea how severe his judgment was to upon them.
This is what the Lord says:
“The whole land will be ruined,
though I will not destroy it completely."
The Jews knew Hebrew. They knew that Genesis 1:2 spoke of the earth having been utterly destroyed.
That is why Jeremiah had to make it clear that their destruction was not to be as severe!
There was no sun light until the 4th Day/Yom.
For there was no sun.
Yet we see three days of light (days).
It was God providing the light of day for the first three days.
In the previous creation?
Lucifer was to share in God's image of lighting ability of the prehistoric earth.
Lucifer would herald in in the morning light, and God would take over to sustain the light of the day.
No they don't. The Spirit is in the world teaching right, wrong and judgement, anyone can learn that.
John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
It has been stated many times but it keeps falling on deaf ears.
That's right, but we are saved by believing the gospel, ie, the faith of Christ
And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. Acts 16:5
By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for hearkening to the faith among all nations, for his name: Romans 1:5
No they don't. The Spirit is in the world teaching right, wrong and judgement, anyone can learn that.
John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
It has been stated many times but it keeps falling on deaf ears.
No. Beforehand we are dead spiritually. We must first be made alive. A spiritually dead person cannot comprehend things spiritual.
[Eph 2:5 KJV] 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
[Col 2:13 KJV] 13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Our faith consists of what we believe in the Word of God.
Believing is like eating the Word and assimilating it, to make it become one with our being.
What food we eat does for our physical being, faith does for our spiritual autonomy.
But, men were still to be found after Genesis 6.
And, Jeremiah had taken the Jews back to the destruction of the prehistoric earth as found in Genesis 1:2.
An unregenerate person can still hear and learn from the spirit, even though they can't comprehend spiritual things
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Romans 1:19-20
Creation does not proclaim the gospel .
Knowing there is a God does not save anyone.
It is knowing God that saves people.
The world cannot receive the Spirit of truth, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him. The world does not recognize Him. No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him. The one who loves God is known by God. If anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. The mind that is set on the flesh is hostile toward God; it does not submit to God's law, nor can it. Whoever is not from God does not listen to us.