Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

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Rufus said:
The fact that you find the text in 2Thess 1:8-10 so amusing does not speak well to your relationship with God. If you really know God, you should have a serious, ready answer to my theological question.
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Your post reminds me of this...

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HeIsHere said:
Your post reminds me of this...
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What are your views on hell? At one time you seemed to have rejected Augustine's popularized view but then you capitulated.
 
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Romans 15 v 4 ~ Everything that was written in the past was written for our instruction, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures, we might have hope.
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Rufus said:
In my 7383 I asked FWers to explain the importance of "knowing" God in 2Thes 1:8-10, and no one answered to the best of my knowledge. I have to conclude that all FWers here are total strangers to this concept and that none of you actually know God -- which would further mean none of you are saved. Just thought you should know the severity and gravity of this theological issue and its real world implications.
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Wow. One could only conclude that my earlier assertion is proving meritorious.
 
Rufus said:
In my 7383 I asked FWers to explain the importance of "knowing" God in 2Thes 1:8-10, and no one answered to the best of my knowledge. I have to conclude that all FWers here are total strangers to this concept and that none of you actually know God -- which would further mean none of you are saved. Just thought you should know the severity and gravity of this theological issue and its real world implications.
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I forgot to say how can it be our fault if we have no bequeathed ability to believe, yet you want to malign us for something we are no control over!!!

You refute your own doctrine.
 
studier said:
I for one answered you. You'll need to search for it if you care to.

I don't think I was the only one to answer.
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rufus neither recognizes nor accepts answers that disagree with his first conclusion. If he decides the sky is green it’s green
 
HeIsHere said:
I forgot to say how can it be our fault if we have no bequeathed ability to believe, yet you want to malign us for something we are no control over!!!

You refute your own doctrine.
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Scripture says man is responsible and accountable to God. Jesus came to seek and save the lost, open
the eyes of the blind, unstop the ears of the deaf, and impart His righteousness to sinners. Sinners.
Those who have no righteousness of their own. That means everybody. Not just atheists. Yet, nobody
is born a believer. What Scripture says is the unregenerated person is a God hater, opposed to the
spiritual things of God which he cannot comprehend while walking in darkness as a slave to sin.

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Luke 4 v 18-19 The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed, 19to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.
 
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HeIsHere said:
I forgot to say how can it be our fault if we have no bequeathed ability to believe, yet you want to malign us for something we are no control over!!!

You refute your own doctrine.
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Exactly.

1000's of posts, from the calvies, trying to convince us that we cannot know God.

Thank the Lord that He seeks mankind......the calvies fail miserably in this department.
 
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Rufus said:
Of course FWers' interpretations are "denied and rejected" on hermeneutical grounds -- a "little" item called context is missing from all.
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Magenta said:
It is so odd, we have people here claiming they believe the Bible while we see them repeatedly
rejecting things explicitly stated,


1 Tim 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
 
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Magenta said:
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Matthew 11 verse 27 ~ All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal Him.
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What!? Sinners don't get the OPPORTUNITY to choose to have a covenant relationship with God with their "freewill" -- to know him personally and intimately? I wonder if Jesus "forces" his sheep to know the Father.
 
Kroogz said:
Magenta said:
It is so odd, we have people here claiming they believe the Bible while we see them repeatedly
rejecting things explicitly stated,


1 Tim 2:4
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not willing for any to perish, but for all to come to repentance.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:19
namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their wrongdoings against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
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But interpreted OUT OF CONTEXT! Sound hermeneutical exegesis is not not in any FWer's tool chest.
 
studier said:
I do.
"If" being 1st, 2nd, or 3rd class?

And, if you're asserting that other Christians are not equipped or are prideful for wanting to know the Truth that you may or may not have correct, then how are you any better than others in different camps who say the same thing about you and the pastor you've chosen to sit under - how are you any different than what Paul is dealing with in 1Cor3, 'well my pastor says...'?
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Is that what you get from me?

There is with some an unwillingness to learn something beyond what he has glued himself to.
I do not blindly adhere to everything my pastor teaches.

What I love about the teaching is that it is so diverse in subject matter and makes you aware of realities
in the Bible that a great many pastors will not even touch upon. I have constructed my own rationales
after being exposed to accurate translation that do not always agree with a conclusion that was included
in with the expository teaching.....

After all?

He used to complain about those who would only parrot his words.
Don't you remember him exhorting others to... THINK! THINK! THINK!

He was feeding us with Biblical building materials for those who are able to do their own original thinking.

You never heard him openly express that to all listening?
 
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