Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[HeIsHere]

blain they just keep on insulting people, and they just dont care,

We insult the doctrine, scripture makes it clear false doctrine and those who promote it, are to be exposed.
Yes there actually is false doctrine.

The doctrine of "Total Inability" being set forth by the those who follow Calvinist tenets, makes the Good News of Christ Jesus of no effect, that is serious.

 

[HeIsHere]

What we are given to believe.
And, what it is we are given to trust in.

They are the gifts from God.

Amen!

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Dream on!
I suppose the people of Israel caused all the plagues. Of course they did! They turned the Nile to blood, they brought frogs, they brought gnats, they brought flies, they killed livestock, they brought boils, they brought hail, they brought locusts, they caused darkness, and yes, they killed the firstborn.
They seized upon nothing! THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE MERCY OF GOD WHICH WAS PROVIDED BY GRACE TO HIS PEOPLE.

Discussion between God and Moses when Moses was in Midian when God told Moses to return to Egypt:

Exodus 4:1-9

1 And Moses answered and said, But, behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice: for they will say, The LORD hath not appeared unto thee.

2 And the LORD said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod.

3 And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it.

4 And the LORD said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand:

5 That they may believe that the LORD God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.

6 And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom: and when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow.

7 And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again. And he put his hand into his bosom again; and plucked it out of his bosom, and, behold, it was turned again as his other flesh.

8 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken to the voice of the first sign, that they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

9 And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take of the water of the river, and pour it upon the dry land: and the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land.


When Moses and Aaron spoke to the children of Israel:

Exodus 4:29-31

29 And Moses and Aaron went and gathered together all the elders of the children of Israel:

30 And Aaron spake all the words which the LORD had spoken unto Moses, and did the signs in the sight of the people.

31 And the people believed: and when they heard that the LORD had visited the children of Israel, and that he had looked upon their affliction, then they bowed their heads and worshipped.

This occurred before the first plague had taken place.

Before the first plague, the children of Israel believed God and worshipped Him.

Is faith/believing taking advantage of God's mercy and grace?

Here is what God's Word says about faith:

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

not a single word about taking advantage of God's mercy and grace.

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[BillyBob]

We insult the doctrine, scripture makes it clear false doctrine and those who promote it, are to be exposed.
Yes there actually is false doctrine.

The doctrine of "Total Inability" being set forth by the those who follow Calvinist tenets, makes the Good News of Christ Jesus of no effect, that is serious.

The good news of Christ is that He has done it all! How many times must you be told to turn your Bible right-side-up when you study?

 

[HeIsHere]

Yes, we can exercise MFW; we cannot not exercise MFW.

“O Jerusalem… How often I have longed to gather your children together… but you were not willing.” (Matt. 23:37)

“God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever will believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16)

“I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses; now choose life… Love the Lord your God.” (Deut. 30:19b-20a)

Now, now @GWH those verses are not part of the program!!!

Oh boy, I hear the peanut gallery shouting, those only apply to the elect, those who are specifically, uniquely, particularly, regenerated so that they can believe!

 

[HeIsHere]

The good news of Christ is that He has done it all! How many times must you be told to turn your Bible right-side-up when you study?

Not the point of contention.

 

[Kroogz]

every single member you have accused of being a calvinist here have all said on hundreds of occasions there not a calvinist, and you don't listen to the true message about Calvie teachings anyway.

So you don't have a valid reason for feeling threatened, and if you are a child of God you shouldn't feel threatend by the hell fire anyway, so really you feeling threatened by the hell fire, is down to you and your inner peace, which for me you lack coz your always causing unrest to those who speak about having security in God.

We are just bringing the ignorant folks into the light.......They are following reformed/calvie/tulip theory unawares.

But I was in the calvie system long enough.....We were taught to hide it. "Just say, 'I learned this from the bible and the Spirit.'"

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory is ALWAYS taught and comes from a man made theory.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Oh and here, this is for you:

@Kroogz said:
Truth hurts/kills false doctrine.

You know why it's personal for some?.........Because it is their truth and not THE truth.

This is why we get hall monitors, emotion police and Karen's. The messenger is the important aspect to these emotional believers, not the message.

 

[HeIsHere]

He won't leave.

Until we all agree to put him on Ignore.
All of us must do it.

.....

Yes, I have come to that conclusion as well, one bridge to far for me was his defending a member who called another member a pervert (very personal) and saying they had a creepy smile (very personal).
Ignore it is.

 

[BillyBob]

Not the point of contention.

You are correct. The point of contention is CV5 putting forth the idea that the exodus took place due to Israel's volitional act of personal faith. No arm twisting by God took place. They just took it upon themselves to slathered blood on the doorpost. Give me a break!

 

[cv5]

Honestly scripture is supposed to be able to be understood even by children.....

No not really. On the contrary, a lifetime of dedicated effort and a PhD is not nearly sufficient.
The Scriptures have fractal features, holographic type phenomenon and have definitely code-like structures embedded within.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/12917324470/

Are you willing to hear this? I doubt it. Most will not take the time or effort because most really do not care much at all.
Bible verse Barbies and bible verse Kens never matriculate.

Heb 5:14
But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

@studier might be interested in this Samson series. Staggering stuff. Divine watermarks galore.

 

[Jordon]

We insult the doctrine, scripture makes it clear false doctrine and those who promote it, are to be exposed.
Yes there actually is false doctrine.

The doctrine of "Total Inability" being set forth by the those who follow Calvinist tenets, makes the Good News of Christ Jesus of no effect, that is serious.

im sorry but I'm not like you putting people in a little box because you can't recognise inability meas God makes you believe

 

[Kroogz]

The doctrine of "Total Inability" being set forth by the those who follow Calvinist tenets, makes the Good News of Christ Jesus of no effect, that is serious.

Amen sister.

Show me ONE post from the calvies that is good news.

Show me ONE post that promotes the Gospel.


Just mention the Gospel(John 3:16/Acts 16:31) and they attack it like a pack of wolves.

 

[cv5]

What we are given to believe.
And, what it is we are given to trust in.

They are the gifts from God.

Since these gifts are freely given, and Gods justice hinges upon the principle of no partiality, then axiomatically we inherently do possess those attributes necessary to avail ourselves of these Gifts, including the volition and will to RECEIVE them.

Paul concurs....
1Co 2:12
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 

[cv5]

The good news of Christ is that He has done it all! How many times must you be told to turn your Bible right-side-up when you study?

All of the lobotomies kidnappings and shotgun weddings?

 

[Jordon]

We are just bringing the ignorant folks into the light.......They are following reformed/calvie/tulip theory unawares.

But I was in the calvie system long enough.....We were taught to hide it. "Just say, 'I learned this from the bible and the Spirit.'"

Reformed/calvie/tulip theory is ALWAYS taught and comes from a man made theory.

1 John 2:2
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Oh and here, this is for you:

@Kroogz said:
Truth hurts/kills false doctrine.

You know why it's personal for some?.........Because it is their truth and not THE truth.

This is why we get hall monitors, emotion police and Karen's. The messenger is the important aspect to these emotional believers, not the message.

No once again reformed means reformation of the faith that is mostly represented here on cc, and the 66 books included in that faith, from that reformation. Brought about from people like Martyn Luther John Calvin and many more like them.

The only thing you representing is yourself

You should go and be Catholic if you don't like reformation

 

[cv5]

Amen sister.

Show me ONE post from the calvies that is good news.

Show me ONE post that promotes the Gospel.


Just mention the Gospel(John 3:16/Acts 16:31) and they attack it like a pack of wolves.

Right. The least mention of a salvation FREELY GIVEN and the unhinged freakouts commence.

 

[Kroogz]

No once again reformed means reformation of the faith that is mostly represented here on cc, and the 66 books included in that faith, from that reformation. Brought about from people like Martyn Luther John Calvin and many more like them.

The only thing you representing is yourself

You should go and be Catholic if you don't like reformation

You do understand that God always has a remnant? There have always been churches that teach truth.

While the Catholics and the "reformers" fought about their world dominance......God had churches and believers that just shook their heads at the dog and pony show. They didn't need early church fathers and "new" doctrine.

God has always fed believers who want the truth.......Invisible heros and warriors.

 

[Jordon]

You do understand that God always has a remnant? There have always been churches that teach truth.

While the Catholics and the "reformers" fought about their world dominance......God had churches and believers that just shook their heads at the dog and pony show. They didn't need early church fathers and "new" doctrine.

God has always fed believers who want the truth.......Invisible heros and warriors.

ok so you in the none denominational idea that makes your ideas count more than that of devoted followers of the lord, because why, because they reformed the word Christian to call there faith a denominational name ?

 

[cv5]

ok so you in the none denominational idea that makes your ideas count more than that of devoted followers of the lord, because why, because they reformed the word Christian to call there faith a denominational name ?

The matter of the validity of the Reformed dogma is no longer in question.
The question that remains is why do you continue in it now that it has been resoundingly falsified?

 

[Kroogz]

ok so you in the none denominational idea that makes your ideas count more than that of devoted followers of the lord, because why, because they reformed the word Christian to call there faith a denominational name ?

This is personal for you Jordon. And it is not for me.

The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind. The Lord Jesus Christ FREELY offers salvation to all mankind. And ALL of mankind is given the opportunity at His FREE gift.

This is not my truth, It is His.

At times, I would like to be the judge, jury and executioner and make it personal, but His truth overrides my personal feelings and emotions.