Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[Kroogz]

Just remember the spirit behind his comments it is not the spirit of God

Truth hurts/kills false doctrine.

You know why it's personal for some?.........Because it is their truth and not THE truth.

This is why we get hall monitors, emotion police and Karen's. The messenger is the important aspect to these emotional believers, not the message.

 

[Genez]

What makes you think our heart is our mind? The heart that is spoken of is the core of a person their hearts can be seen by what they say and think yes but the scriptures do not seem to indicate that our minds and hearts are the same thing I am not trying to argue with you I am just trying to understand why you think they are the same

In the Bible, the word heart speaks of the part of our mind where our decisions are concluded.
It is the throne of our convictions, and opinions.

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! ​

You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!​

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You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne ​

above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on ​

the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon." Isaiah 14:12-33​

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"For as he thinks in his heart, so is he." Proverbs 23:7a​

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grace and peace .....​

 

[Kroogz]

What we are given to believe.
And, what it is we are given to trust in.

They are the gifts from God.

The Lord Jesus Christ. What a wonderful And indescribable Gift to mankind. An eternity of praise and worship could not top what He did for us.

And the calvies have Him relegated to the Powerball and your lucky numbers. No need for the cross, just a pick from a sovereign god.

 

[Blain]

In the Bible, the word heart speaks of the part of our mind where our decisions are concluded.
It is the throne of our convictions, and opinions.

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! ​

You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!​

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You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne ​

above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on ​

the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon." Isaiah 14:12-33​

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"For as he thinks in his heart, so is he." Proverbs 23:7a​

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grace and peace .....​

So then from this scripture it seems they are related but then I wonder where does the soul of a persob resude? and also have you ever felt heartbreak? like say a really bad break up? that is a kind of pain you feel intensely and it doesn;t hurt in your head but where your heart is so a broken heart is felt not in the mind but in your chest

This is why I believe the heart of a person is not in the mind itself maybe they are related as the thoughts of a person come from the heart but not the same

 

[Genez]

The Lord Jesus Christ. What a wonderful And indescribable Gift to mankind. An eternity of praise and worship could not top what He did for us.

And the calvies have Him relegated to the Powerball and your lucky numbers. No need for the cross, just a pick from a sovereign god.

They do not understand what you mean.
Might as well give up that approach.
I have seen it before.

They get all hyped up on God's sovereignty. They take it to places God does not go.
Because His righteousness and integrity would not allow for him to be unfair, as they see him having the sovereign right to do.

 

[Genez]

So then from this scripture it seems they are related but then I wonder where does the soul of a persob resude? and also have you ever felt heartbreak? like say a really bad break up? that is a kind of pain you feel intensely and it doesn;t hurt in your head but where your heart is so a broken heart is felt not in the mind but in your chest

This is why I believe the heart of a person is not in the mind itself maybe they are related as the thoughts of a person come from the heart but not the same

It ended up effecting how you felt in your chest.

And...
Yes... I went through years of heartache.

 

[Kroogz]

They do not understand what you mean.
Might as well give up that approach.
I have seen it before.

They get all hyped up on God's sovereignty. They take it to places God does not go.
Because His righteousness and integrity would not allow for him to be unfair, as they see him having the sovereign right to do.

For me personally, It is for the seekers, those who want truth.

The calvies here.......They have made up their minds. The dumpster fire.

1 Cor 3:15
But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.

 

[Genez]

For me personally, It is for the seekers, those who want truth.

The calvies here.......They have made up their minds. The dumpster fire.

1 Cor 3:15
But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.

I see, now.

 

[Genez]

So then from this scripture it seems they are related but then I wonder where does the soul of a persob resude? and also have you ever felt heartbreak? like say a really bad break up? that is a kind of pain you feel intensely and it doesn;t hurt in your head but where your heart is so a broken heart is felt not in the mind but in your chest

This is why I believe the heart of a person is not in the mind itself maybe they are related as the thoughts of a person come from the heart but not the same

Heart and mind are two different aspects that are operational in the Soul.

The Greek word for heart is "kardia" (καρδία), which refers not only to the physical organ but also figuratively to the center of a person's thoughts, emotions, and will. In biblical contexts, it represents the inner self and is crucial for understanding human nature and spirituality​

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Nous (νοῦς) is a Greek word that translates to "mind," "understanding," or "intellect." It is derived from ancient Greek philosophy and is often associated with the faculty of the human mind necessary for grasping truth and reality. ​

We learn Bible truth with our "Nous."
When that truth is being made operational in our spiritual life, it is done so by means of the "Kardia."

The Bible in the original languages indicates that the "kardia" is operational in the brain's right lobe
And, the "nous" is operational in our brain's left lobe.

My pastor broke that down (Right-lobe and Left-lobe) from the Hebrew and Greek texts, while teaching a history of those words.

Grace and peace ............

 

[sawdust]

To use your mind as in using our logic and understanding? or do you mean a renewed one which conforms to the mind of Christ because I think the latter is what we should be doing

Well it isn't going to be renewed if you don't bring it to the word and think about what is said.

What I guard against is this talk of "the Spirit makes the truth known because you feel it in your heart" type of stuff that goes round as that is how the Mormons speak.

We need to think about what is being said with honest rationale. Coming away with the truth will depend upon our humility in facing it for the Spirit cannot teach the proud, arrogant or those who simply refuse to use their brains.

 

[sawdust]

What makes you think our heart is our mind? The heart that is spoken of is the core of a person their hearts can be seen by what they say and think yes but the scriptures do not seem to indicate that our minds and hearts are the same thing I am not trying to argue with you I am just trying to understand why you think they are the same

They are the same in that both require thought. They are not the same in that the mind is "flexible" (one needs to be ready to change one's mind when learning some new truth) whereas the heart holds one's core tenets and should not be changing so readily.

For example, one believes in their heart Christ rose from the dead and this should not change but what that means and how it is applied to everyday life should see our thinking change as we learn more of the word.

What you hold in your heart is based on your thoughts, not how you feel.

 

[sawdust]

Yeah that is how the enemy works and they want to see you get upset hey want to slander your character because they simply are hateful people but this is the tactics of the devil not God so trust me I know what your dealing with they have done this to me as well they cannot reason or understand what they are doing because they don't care about felloship learning or seeking truth they are spiteful hateful arrogant trolls and you cannot reason with such people

Just do what you can and speak truth to anyone who has ears to hear I got your back

That enemy of which you speak happens to be his brothers and sisters in the Lord. He has been just as insulting and rude refuses any correction himself. You would do well to see for yourself but I know this would prove difficult for you due to your sight issues.

Don't encourage him please, he needs to stop whining about others. He is in no position to judge the rest of us.

 

[Journey_man]

your very welcome

Glad you liked it, yep his name is just not bully Graham, I believe he was chosen

I didn't only like it, I felt like I was being taken hostage and hypnotised by the power of his preaching. I watched the more recent Televangelists, for years. But their preaching was like being feed on breast milk.

But "buuly Graham", fed me some great steak, that day. I didn't walk away hungry, as I did many times with todays slick (used car salesman) types. No disrespect to them, they attracted me to Christianity in the first place, but they never weaned me of their breast milk diet.

I've added him to my playlist on sermonaudio, only trouble is finding the time to listen without all of the distractions of a fast paced modern age or as some call it "new age"

 

[Jordon]

I didn't only like it, I felt like I was being taken hostage and hypnotised by the power of his preaching. I watched the more recent Televangelists, for years. But their preaching was like being feed on breast milk.

But "buuly Graham", fed me some great steak, that day. I didn't walk away hungry, as I did many times with todays slick (used car salesman) types. No disrespect to them, they attracted me to Christianity in the first place, but they never weaned me of their breast milk diet.

I've added him to my playlist on sermonaudio, only trouble is finding the time to listen without all of the distractions of a fast paced modern age or as some call it "new age"

Well I'm glad you liked it, coz he speaks well of what it means to be chosen, and he gives good advice on how to deal with people who come against your walk with God, which funny enough is how I am, the reason I like his sermon which I'm glad I've come across it to, is it reminded me of my mum used to talk to me and the way she had love for God and his children, and her devoted work helping people needing good sound counselling, in matters of holding onto your faith, when people come against you.

The sad part is tho because he speaks about chosen people, people who are haters will hate him, and just consider his message boring like @cv5

 

[GWH]

Yes, we can exercise MFW; we cannot not exercise MFW.

“O Jerusalem… How often I have longed to gather your children together… but you were not willing.” (Matt. 23:37)

“God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever will believe in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” (John 3:16)

“I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses; now choose life… Love the Lord your God.” (Deut. 30:19b-20a)

 

[Jordon]

Yeah that is how the enemy works and they want to see you get upset hey want to slander your character because they simply are hateful people but this is the tactics of the devil not God so trust me I know what your dealing with they have done this to me as well they cannot reason or understand what they are doing because they don't care about felloship learning or seeking truth they are spiteful hateful arrogant trolls and you cannot reason with such people

Just do what you can and speak truth to anyone who has ears to hear I got your back

Yep @Genez has made his intentions clear, at first I thought he may just be saying things he doesn't really mean, and he's just lashing out because of personal issues and stuff.

But no he means it alright, and he's carrying his threats through, which is scary to be on the receiving end.

He makes me feel uncomfortable and uneasy to come here and talk with you good brothers.

He said last week my days where numbered here, and since then hes been doing his best to have me hated, even pleading with people to join in with his hate campaign against me.

Even saying things like I'm no good because I don't believe in the rapture, and I've never even talked about the rapture here.

He's a bad egg poisoning the well, and the lady who he has badly missed treated magenta doesn't even post in this thread anymore

And the sad part is she has only ever posted the truth here.

 

[Jordon]

For me personally, It is for the seekers, those who want truth.

The calvies here.......They have made up their minds. The dumpster fire.

1 Cor 3:15
But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.

every single member you have accused of being a calvinist here have all said on hundreds of occasions there not a calvinist, and you don't listen to the true message about Calvie teachings anyway.

So you don't have a valid reason for feeling threatened, and if you are a child of God you shouldn't feel threatend by the hell fire anyway, so really you feeling threatened by the hell fire, is down to you and your inner peace, which for me you lack coz your always causing unrest to those who speak about having security in God.

 

[Jordon]

Freudian slip...

You are really making fun of Christians who are able to believe....

I do have you pegged as a counterfeit.

 

[BillyBob]

On the contrary, the children of Israel DEFINITELY were saved by volitional acts of personal faith and obedience at the time of the Exodus. They believed God when He commanded for Blood to be slathered on the doorpost and lintel.

And then they DID IT. And lived by doing so. God graciously OFFERED a means of deliverance, and the believers SEIZED upon it.
According to your theory, they should have been CONDEMNED for doing it.

Your faulty bizarre Reformed pseudo-philosophical pretentions regarding grace are a figment of your vain imagination.

Dream on!
I suppose the people of Israel caused all the plagues. Of course they did! They turned the Nile to blood, they brought frogs, they brought gnats, they brought flies, they killed livestock, they brought boils, they brought hail, they brought locusts, they caused darkness, and yes, they killed the firstborn.
They seized upon nothing! THEY TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE MERCY OF GOD WHICH WAS PROVIDED BY GRACE TO HIS PEOPLE.

 

[Jordon]

I refuse to live in, and agree to, your unreality.

And, you keep inviting me back in.

Do you think you are as spiritually mature as you ever can be?
You can be much more mature than you are now...

Your biggest enemy is to think you are already as mature in Christ as one needs to be.
You are going through typical growing pains.

Growing pains = having ones own weaknesses exposed to oneself.

Those are mature in christ believe God has showed them his love and realise he has made them climb a mountain like Moses