Can We Really Exercise Free Will?

[reneweddaybyday]

reneweddaybyday said:

The fig leaves Adam and Eve made for themselves (Gen 3:7) represented their fleshly, human attempt to cover their sin and and shame.​

Sort of like a free willie thinking his fleshly, human attempt to cover his sin and and shame is sufficient for the job.

Unfortunately free willers think they are clever to present mothers loving and caring for their children as "evil."

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.

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[reneweddaybyday]

And how in the world could Satan be in the genealogical line of Jesus when Eve was!?

Adam is listed in the genealogical line of the Lord Jesus Christ and God claims Adam is His son (Luke 3:38).

Here are your words from Post 29,648 ... "Adam must have been relegated the seed of the evil one"

you've got the "evil one" in the genealogy of the Lord Jesus Christ.

you really need to come to terms with the fact that the sins of both Adam and Eve were remitted in God's offering of the sacrifice because they both believed. God made the coats for both Adam and Eve ... clothing both Adam and Eve in garments of salvation.

Eve, by divine decree, was placed in God's holy line when He reconciled her to Himself by declaring that her and the serpent would be enemies.

where is the verse which indicates Eve was in the genealogical line of the Lord Jesus Christ? we only see Adam ... and there are other woman named in the genealogy (Tamar, Rahab Ruth) ... why is your beloved Eve not mentioned in the genealogy?

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[reneweddaybyday]

I wonder if God is the Primary/Ultimate Cause behind "forcing" his covenant people to obedience? I don't see anything in the passage that says God first seeks his chosen people's permission to mess around with their "sacred freewill".

whose "will" is "forcing" you when you sin?

1 John 1:8, 10 ... 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ... 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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[Jordon]

yep ...

John 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.







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Interesting sis I wonder if the verses you left out that says if my word remains in you, refers to his fathers word also before you go to the vine

Just a thought sis but did the thought slip your mind, the true vine is saying what happens before you enter the vine.

Or was you thinking just about anyone can choose to enter his vine, or maybe you where thinking you can do what's required because of your wonderful free will that lives in the flesh

 

[sawdust]

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.

You have to love the irony don't you? They say all men are evil and can do no good which means they can only do evil, but when those who disagree with their reformed theology says it, they balk. rofl

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Interesting sis I wonder if the verses you left out that says if my word remains in you, refers to his fathers word also before you go to the vine

Just a thought sis but did the thought slip your mind, the true vine is saying what happens before you enter the vine.

Or was you thinking just about anyone can choose to enter his vine,

The Lord Jesus Christ was speaking to His disciples.

Do you follow the Lord Jesus Christ ... the Head of His body of which all born again ones are members in particular ... placed within the body where it has please God?

or maybe you where thinking you can do what's required because of your wonderful free will that lives in the flesh

ah Jordon ... the "free will" / "calvie" misnomers that run rampant in this thread ... the whole site to be honest.

Psalm 133:1-3

1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

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[reneweddaybyday]

You have to love the irony don't you? They say all men are evil and can do no good which means they can only do evil, but when those who disagree with their reformed theology says it, they balk. rofl

I'm still waiting for Magenta to provide the post wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.

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[Jordon]

whose "will" is "forcing" you when you sin?

1 John 1:8, 10 ... 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. ... 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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the more appropriate thought is, if the will of flesh sins and is corrupted, what level of honour does it really have when it comes to doing good.

Well for that you must include what God says which is only God is good in the unsaved.


Which is you can do nothing without him

 

[Jordon]

The Lord Jesus Christ was speaking to His disciples.

Do you follow the Lord Jesus Christ ... the Head of His body of which all born again ones are members in particular ... placed within the body where it has please God?





ah Jordon ... the "free will" / "calvie" misnomers that run rampant in this thread ... the whole site to be honest.

Psalm 133:1-3

1 Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity!

2 It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down upon the beard, even Aaron's beard: that went down to the skirts of his garments;

3 As the dew of Hermon, and as the dew that descended upon the mountains of Zion: for there the LORD commanded the blessing, even life for evermore.

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ah the imaginary calvie scenario, ..
The true vine

well how about this when Jesus was speaking to his disciples, he was planting his fathers word in them before being filled with the spirit

Fixed it for you

 

[Genez]

I wonder which way could free will choose, and who's will would be better.


Isaiah 30:21

New International Version



21 Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying, “This is the way; walk in it.”

I guess it's saying you can walk to the left or the right, but this is the way you should walk on that path

Do you hear voices?

 

[Magenta]

Righteous anger is seldom exercised. It's source stems from an offense of God,
not self. So an offense to us would not be included under righteous anger.

Seldom? I disagree.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

ah the imaginary calvie scenario, ..

did you read what I wrote, Jordon??? ... both "calvie" / "FWer" labels are misnomers ... both are "imaginary scenarios".

The true vine

Great parable ... lots to learn if time is taken to study in depth.

well how about this when Jesus was speaking to his disciples, he was planting his fathers word in them before being filled with the spirit

when God's Word is believed, God gives increase.

Fixed it for you

nope ... still fixing it for yourself.

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[reneweddaybyday]

the more appropriate thought is, if the will of flesh sins and is corrupted, what level of honour does it really have when it comes to doing good.

I was talking to Rufus, Jordon.

Rufus queried "I wonder if God is the Primary/Ultimate Cause behind "forcing" his covenant people to obedience? I don't see anything in the passage that says God first seeks his chosen people's permission to mess around with their "sacred freewill"."

so I asked him "whose "will" is "forcing" you when you sin?"

still waiting for an answer ...

Well for that you must include what God says which is only God is good in the unsaved.

no one who has posted in this thread disputes the fact that only God is good.

Which is you can do nothing without him

When you sin, you leave Him in order to engage in behavior which we are instructed to not partake. So, when you sin, you do so without Him.

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[Magenta]

Which is you can do nothing without him

It is God Who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose. Apart from Me you can do nothing. No word from God will ever fail. “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

 

[Genez]

It is God Who works in you to will and to act on behalf of His good purpose. Apart from Me you can do nothing. No word from God will ever fail. “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Those who heard this asked, “Who then can be saved?” But Jesus said, “What is impossible with man is possible with God.”

Why only you?

 

[Jordon]

I was talking to Rufus, Jordon.

Rufus queried "I wonder if God is the Primary/Ultimate Cause behind "forcing" his covenant people to obedience? I don't see anything in the passage that says God first seeks his chosen people's permission to mess around with their "sacred freewill"."

so I asked him "whose "will" is "forcing" you when you sin?"

still waiting for an answer ...





no one who has posted in this thread disputes the fact that only God is good.





When you sin, you leave Him in order to engage in behavior which we are instructed to not partake. So, when you sin, you do so without Him.

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Good day sis, I suppose today is a new day, but can it be a renewed one

Well to answer this questions we need to understand a few things,

how can people sin without him, when Gods inherent will is inherent to everyone from the moment there born and all deeds are seen in the light and not one person is without excuse, which means all are made aware, ?

How is it that all are made aware and know ?

Well when a person's sins who is born of the fruits of the spirit, I wonder sis is God in you to scared to not see the sin you are committing ?

And when a person as in an unbeliever is being built up in the heart by God, is God to scared to see the sin he is committing, ?

Well to answer theses question

We have the devine natures of the the father the son the holy spirit, and all devine natures are all equal to each other, so I wonder sis, who's devine nature is in the person having his heart built up before being filled with the fruits of the spirit, and who's devine nature is in the the person who has been born of the fruits of the spirit ?


Hmm i wonder who can the light up the way

 

[Jordon]

did you read what I wrote, Jordon??? ... both "calvie" / "FWer" labels are misnomers ... both are "imaginary scenarios".





Great parable ... lots to learn if time is taken to study in depth.





when God's Word is believed, God gives increase.





nope ... still fixing it for yourself.

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AHH the imaginary Calvie free will scenario continues, I would recommend if you've had enough, then maybe find another thread

As this thread is all about will and the Calvies,

But when it comes to the true calvies i do believe they have a Good will

 

[Jordon]

please provide the post submitted wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.

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you'll have to go back a few posts before where the sarcastic free willer said when an unbeliver does good there doing evil

Fixed it for you

 

[Jordon]

Why only you?

The moral of the story is,.

Don't confuse kindness for weekness

Which you do quite a lot

 

[HeIsHere]

I'm still waiting for Magenta to provide the post wherein it was claimed that mothers loving and caring for their children is evil.

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Lack of comprehension, lack of context and an abundance of taradiddle is a significant problem on this thread.