The "holy mountain" was in the Garden; for the Garden of Eden was God's dwelling place (i.e. temple) of the Lord. This is why Adam was ejected from the Garden for Adam's sin defiled God's holy temple (his presence). Nothing unclean can ever inhabit God's Holy Space.
Can We Really Exercise Free Will?
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The "holy mountain" was in the Garden; for the Garden of Eden was God's dwelling place (i.e. temple) of the Lord. This is why Adam was ejected from the Garden for Adam's sin defiled God's holy temple (his presence). Nothing unclean can ever inhabit God's Holy Space.
that's one possibility but the text gives more possibility to the him being at the mountain of God as a new sentence than it does a continuation, than from the first paragraph.
thou was at the mountain of God thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
That's what Moses did too walked up and down the mountain
Perhaps Moses walked up and down the same mountain that was in Eden. Anyhoo...There's considerable evidence that God's temple existed in the original Garden just like it will exist in the New Garden in the new Eternal Order (Rev 21). One of the big pieces of evidence is the arboreal motif that God commanded first for the Ark of the Covenant and then later for the physical temple.
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So, we have free will, yet we were made to use our free will only to do evil until God decides it’s time for us to use it for good?
Well...where did all the wanna-be scholars, pseudo-intellectuals, and lovers of those with Piled High and Dry parchments to their name disappear to? I'm still waiting waiting for some FWer to explain how God's eternal decrees in Act 4:27-28 doesn't make Him culpable of sin -- the sin of the murder of his only Son? It appears my tough question is above FWers' pay grade, which is why they cry in their beer so much over my questions. Tsk, tsk, tsk. But...this is predictable because God has chosen the foolish things of this world to shame the wise, the weak things of this world to shame the strong, and He chose the lowly and despised things and things that are not to nullify the things that are, so that no one will boast before Him (1Cor 1:27-29).
Well...if the Acts 4 passage is too tough for you to refute with your false gospel, how 'bout trying Job 1 on for size? Did not God place all things in the hands of his arch enemy and adversary, save for bringing physical injury to Job himself? And Satan fully made use of the power God granted him, didn't he? The devil destroyed the lives of animals, livestock, servants of Job and his immediate family itself. Therefore, given these irrefutable facts, explain how God's decree to Satan doesn't make Him morally culpable for all the havoc, chaos and destruction of lives that the devil caused by divine permission. How does God's divine prerogative free him from accusation and even condemnation!?
Don't be shy FWers, step up to the batters' box and take your best swings. Or...if you still feel you're not up to such a daunting task, contact your favorite PhD teachers/pastors to come here and answer my questions. Maybe they'll act as your "learned" substitutes.
Well...if the Acts 4 passage is too tough for you to refute with your false gospel, how 'bout trying Job 1 on for size? Did not God place all things in the hands of his arch enemy and adversary, save for bringing physical injury to Job himself? And Satan fully made use of the power God granted him, didn't he? The devil destroyed the lives of animals, livestock, servants of Job and his immediate family itself. Therefore, given these irrefutable facts, explain how God's decree to Satan doesn't make Him morally culpable for all the havoc, chaos and destruction of lives that the devil caused by divine permission. How does God's divine prerogative free him from accusation and even condemnation!?
Don't be shy FWers, step up to the batters' box and take your best swings. Or...if you still feel you're not up to such a daunting task, contact your favorite PhD teachers/pastors to come here and answer my questions. Maybe they'll act as your "learned" substitutes.
You should at least give an explanation why,
At least then we can see if your a legend
Considerable is a good choice of words,
Has it it been considered that the whole earth was once the garden of eden
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OLDBUTNEW
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You should at least give an explanation why,
At least then we can see if your a legend
You should at least give an explanation why,
At least then we can see if your a legend
No thanks; I'll be right.
But we don't have to disobey God to be a sinner. We are born wrong, no personal sin required.
Just contemplating here, but when the word implies God has predestined someone to something bad is that not figurative speech for the lords will not being active in there hearts.Well...where did all the wanna-be scholars, pseudo-intellectuals, and lovers of those with Piled High and Dry parchments to their name disappear to? I'm still waiting waiting for some FWer to explain how God's eternal decrees in Act 4:27-28 doesn't make Him culpable of sin -- the sin of the murder of his only Son? It appears my tough question is above FWers' pay grade, which is why they cry in their beer so much over my questions. Tsk, tsk, tsk. But...this is predictable because God has chosen the foolish things of this world to shame the wise, the weak things of this world to shame the strong, and He chose the lowly and despised things and things that are not to nullify the things that are, so that no one will boast before Him (1Cor 1:27-29).
Well...if the Acts 4 passage is too tough for you to refute with your false gospel, how 'bout trying Job 1 on for size? Did not God place all things in the hands of his arch enemy and adversary, save for bringing physical injury to Job himself? And Satan fully made use of the power God granted him, didn't he? The devil destroyed the lives of animals, livestock, servants of Job and his immediate family itself. Therefore, given these irrefutable facts, explain how God's decree to Satan doesn't make Him morally culpable for all the havoc, chaos and destruction of lives that the devil caused by divine permission. How does God's divine prerogative free him from accusation and even condemnation!?
Don't be shy FWers, step up to the batters' box and take your best swings. Or...if you still feel you're not up to such a daunting task, contact your favorite PhD teachers/pastors to come here and answer my questions. Maybe they'll act as your "learned" substitutes.
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Blue155
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Here’s the issue with saying we have free will (yet can only use it to do evil)
It assumes the following:
God made us with free will, which goes against total depravity, as total depravity states we don’t have the ability to seek, understand, or choose God. But if we have free will, we’d be able to seek, choose, etc etc. If we don’t have the ability to do such being born totally depraved, then we don’t have free will. If man is only able to do evil due to his fallen condition, then man doesn’t have free will until God decides it’s time for us to use the free will (we supposedly now have in total depravity) to do good, which would mean God wants man to choose to do evil until God decides it’s time to “regenerate our hearts” to do good, thus rendering man without any responsibility for his evilness, placing it all on God since God didn’t “zap” us to be able to use it to choose good.
It assumes the following:
God made us with free will, which goes against total depravity, as total depravity states we don’t have the ability to seek, understand, or choose God. But if we have free will, we’d be able to seek, choose, etc etc. If we don’t have the ability to do such being born totally depraved, then we don’t have free will. If man is only able to do evil due to his fallen condition, then man doesn’t have free will until God decides it’s time for us to use the free will (we supposedly now have in total depravity) to do good, which would mean God wants man to choose to do evil until God decides it’s time to “regenerate our hearts” to do good, thus rendering man without any responsibility for his evilness, placing it all on God since God didn’t “zap” us to be able to use it to choose good.
I see well, looks like your still glad then.
Have you heard of having your works tested in fire
