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[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So both apostles agree — the saving power is in Christ’s resurrection received by faith, not in the physical act that symbolizes it.

That's true, but all indications are that God established that ceremony as the gateway to spiritual rebirth.

 

[LightBearer316]

But Paul repeatedly baptized converts in the book of Acts, so it's not accurate to say that it wasn't part of his work

That’s a classic half-truth tactic — it sounds factual but misses Paul’s entire point of distinction between the gospel message and the baptism that follows belief.

Here’s a clear, Scripture-grounded response ChristRoseFromTheDead.

You keep missing the mark because your heart isn’t right before God. When a person continually twists and mishandles His Word, God allows their own confusion to deepen until they can no longer discern truth from error.

There’s no contradiction there — just context.
Paul did baptize some early converts (as any evangelist naturally would), but he explicitly separated baptism as a practice from the gospel as the message that saves:

“Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” (1 Cor 1:17)

That statement only makes sense if baptism isn’t part of the saving message itself.
If water baptism were required for salvation, Paul could never have said that without compromising the gospel he preached (1 Cor 15:1–4).

Paul’s pattern was simple — preach Christ, people believe, then they’re baptized as testimony, not as transaction.

“For by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works.” (Eph 2:8–9)​

1 Timothy 4:2 (KJV):
“Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron.”
Grace and peace.

 

[lrs68]

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This other one loves running around claiming there are two gospels...

This post is the textbook form of hyper-dispensational error — polished, confident, and laced with Greek and historical claims that sound scholarly but collapse under Scripture’s own testimony.

Here’s a breakdown of what’s wrong point-by-point, so you can clearly identify it.

1. Misuse of the Greek in Galatians 1:6

He cites heteron (“another of a different kind”) as if that makes Paul’s “other gospel” legitimate.
That’s false.
Paul immediately clarifies in verse 7:

“Which is not another (allo), but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.”​

In other words, it’s different (heteron) precisely because it’s corrupt—a perversion, not a parallel gospel.​

Greek lexicons agree on the nuance; context defines meaning, and Paul condemns it as accursed (vv. 8-9).​

2. Inventing Two True Gospels

He claims Peter preached a valid “Kingdom Gospel” while Paul preached a separate “Grace Gospel.”
Scripture utterly denies that division:

• **Acts 15:11 **—Peter: “We believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
• **Ephesians 4:5 **—“One Lord, one faith, one baptism.”
• **1 Corinthians 15:1-4 **—Paul summarizes the gospel, not a gospel.

Distinct audiences and emphases, yes; different messages of salvation, no.

3. Misreading Peter’s Baptism Preaching

He says Peter’s “gospel evolved away” from baptism as salvific.
That’s not evolution—it’s clarification through revelation.
Acts 10 proves this: the Gentiles received the Holy Spirit before baptism (vv. 43-47).
Peter concludes, “Whosoever believeth in Him shall receive remission of sins.”
Faith first, baptism second—the exact same order Paul taught.

4. False Claim That the Twelve Never Taught Grace Apart from Law

• Peter rejected Law-keeping for justification (Acts 15:10-11).
• James called salvation God’s gift of grace (Acts 15:15-18).
• John declared, “The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17)

The Twelve didn’t rebuke Jewish believers for keeping customs, but they never made those customs salvific.

5. Contradiction About “Two True Gospels”

He says both gospels are “absolutely true” yet “cannot be harmonized.”
That’s self-refuting. Truth from the same God cannot contradict itself.
If one gospel requires baptism and the other forbids it, one of them is false—yet Scripture says only one gospel exists (Gal 1:8-9).

6. Abuse of Mystery Language

He treats Paul’s “mystery” (Eph 3:2-6) as a new gospel.
Paul himself says the mystery is that Gentiles are now fellow heirs in the same body, not a new method of salvation.
Same gospel—expanded scope, not changed content.

7. Undermining the Unity of the Cross

By dividing Israel and the Church into separate salvations, he splits Christ Himself:

“That He might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross.” (Eph 2:16)​

Two gospels = two bodies = two crosses — a theological impossibility.

In Summary

• Heteron in Gal 1:6 = different because corrupted, not different but valid.
• Peter and Paul preached the same grace-based salvation.
• Baptism follows faith; it doesn’t cause forgiveness.
• The mystery revealed was one body, Jew and Gentile together, not two gospels.
  
  “There is neither Jew nor Greek… for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal 3:28)

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Romans 16:17–18 (KJV) — it speaks directly to this kind of situation:

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.​

For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”​

Paul’s command is twofold:

1. Mark them — identify and take note of those who cause division by teaching contrary to sound doctrine.
2. Avoid them — don’t keep engaging or giving them a platform once their divisive intent is clear.

This fits perfectly with the “two gospels” error — it divides what Christ made one.

• 1 Corinthians 1:10:
  
  “That ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.”​
• Titus 3:10–11:
  
  “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.”​

These verses together make it clear: when someone persists in teaching division under the name of doctrine, Scripture says to mark, avoid, and move on.

Grace and Peace

Actually I believe what he's truly saying is is the Protestant Churches you will find several that Preach Grace and use the Pauline Letters as proof text where the others go directly by words of Yeshua found in the Gospels. So people have Divided the 2 based upon how they explain their beliefs. Essentially they have made it what Jesus said versus what Paul said creating 2 Gospels of belief.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Paul did baptize some early converts (as any evangelist naturally would), but he explicitly separated baptism as a practice from the gospel as the message that saves:

No, he simply did not do the baptizing. He let others do it so that those baptized wouldn't be tempted to exalt themselves because they had been baptized by Paul

 

[Ceph]

Who says the future is certain?

God already has the very end of this world written down.
Jesus says whoever believes in him has eternal life, and will raise them up on the last day.
He also says that whoever comes to him are in his hand, and no one can take them out of it. It's impossible that he's lying.
However you think his promise applies to a person, his promise is the faithful promise, and it will be fulfilled.

 

[LightBearer316]

Actually I believe what he's truly saying is is the Protestant Churches you will find several that Preach Grace and use the Pauline Letters as proof text where the others go directly by words of Yeshua found in the Gospels. So people have Divided the 2 based upon how they explain their beliefs. Essentially they have made it what Jesus said versus what Paul said creating 2 Gospels of belief.

Brother, that’s an important distinction, but Scripture doesn’t support the idea that Jesus and Paul preached separate gospels.
Paul received his message “by the revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal 1:11-12). He didn’t invent a new gospel — he declared the same one the risen Lord gave him.

Peter later affirmed that very message, saying, “We believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.” (Acts 15:11)

The division isn’t between Christ and Paul — it’s between truth and distortion. There’s one Lord, one faith, one gospel. (Eph 4:5)
Grace and peace.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

God already has the very end of this world written down.
Jesus says whoever believes in him has eternal life, and will raise them up on the last day.
He also says that whoever comes to him are in his hand, and no one can take them out of it. It's impossible that he's lying.
However you think his promise applies to a person, his promise is the faithful promise, and it will be fulfilled.

So a person can't take themselves out of his hand? That seems to contradict a number of passages.

 

[lrs68]

Brother, that’s an important distinction, but Scripture doesn’t support the idea that Jesus and Paul preached separate gospels.
Paul received his message “by the revelation of Jesus Christ” (Gal 1:11-12). He didn’t invent a new gospel — he declared the same one the risen Lord gave him.

Peter later affirmed that very message, saying, “We believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.” (Acts 15:11)

The division isn’t between Christ and Paul — it’s between truth and distortion. There’s one Lord, one faith, one gospel. (Eph 4:5)
Grace and peace.

But from that person's viewpoint it appears this is evident.

Personally on this site you can find it to some degree but I know that generally speaking much of what Paul wrote verifies what Yeshua said.

 

[Ceph]

So a person can't take themselves out of his hand? That seems to contradict a number of passages.

I've read a few stores about people who tried to renounce God themselves, but ultimately couldn't.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I've read a few stores about people who tried to renounce God themselves, but ultimately couldn't.

What if someone denies Christ?

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 2 Timothy 2:12​

 

[Ceph]

What if someone denies Christ?

If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: 2 Timothy 2:12​

They were never His.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

They were never His.

That's like saying the children of Israel who God saved out of Egypt, yet later destroyed because of their unbelief were never his. That would be calling God a liar because he called them his own special possession.

 

[LightBearer316]

But from that person's viewpoint it appears this is evident.

Personally on this site you can find it to some degree but I know that generally speaking much of what Paul wrote verifies what Yeshua said.

That response shows someone trying to diffuse the doctrinal clarity I presented by softening it into “it’s all perspective.”
It sounds irenic, but it’s a subtle way of avoiding the real issue — whether Scripture actually teaches two gospels or one.

Paul’s writings absolutely verify what Jesus said.
But the key point remains: there’s no biblical evidence of two gospels, even if people interpret them differently.
Both Christ’s words in the Gospels and Paul’s letters proclaim the same message of grace and truth.

“The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17)
“By grace are ye saved through faith…” (Eph 2:8)
Different perspectives, same salvation — one Lord, one faith, one gospel.

Grace and Peace

 

[Ceph]

That's like saying the children of Israel who God saved out of Egypt, yet later destroyed because of their unbelief were never his. That would be calling God a liar because he called them his own special possession.

Is Jesus a liar when he says whoever comes to him to will live eternally?
Isn't it written in scripture, "Not all of Israel is Israel"?. (Romans 9:6)
There were those of Israel who came out of egypt and murmured and detested God along the way, and there are those of Israel who came out of egypt faithfully appreciating the works God was doing for them.

 

[LightBearer316]

If your heart isn’t right before God, no amount of argument will make the truth clear. When someone continually twists and mishandles His Word, God allows their confusion to grow until they can no longer discern truth from error. God’s Word is not to be played with — it is holy, living, and absolute.

Grace and Peace

 

[Ceph]

There are those who hear the word of Jesus and use it to tickle their own fancy, and there are those who fear the word of Jesus and come to him to be saved.

 

[Ceph]

If your heart isn’t right before God, no amount of argument will make the truth clear. When someone continually twists and mishandles His Word, God allows their confusion to grow until they can no longer discern truth from error. God’s Word is not to be played with — it is holy, living, and absolute.

Grace and Peace

Still, it's good to pray for salvation to come to as many as possible. Those who are fallen can be raised again, I myself can attest to this.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Is Jesus a liar when he says whoever comes to him to will live eternally?
Isn't it written in scripture, "Not all of Israel is Israel"?. (Romans 9:6)
There were those of Israel who came out of egypt and murmured and detested God along the way, and there are those of Israel who came out of egypt faithfully appreciating the works God was doing for them.

If they follow on to know the lord they will live eternally.

Only 2 besides Moses and some others were faithful. Everyone else over 20 y/o were destroyed in the wilderness

 

[Ceph]

If they follow on to know the lord they will live eternally.

Only 2 besides Moses and some others were faithful. Everyone else over 20 y/o were destroyed in the wilderness

That is correct. There are people who merely tasted the heavenly gift, and then fell away.
And it is true that if a person doesn't apply to their heart to knowing Jesus, they will be told, "I never knew you", and not be lied to.

 

[lrs68]

That response shows someone trying to diffuse the doctrinal clarity I presented by softening it into “it’s all perspective.”
It sounds irenic, but it’s a subtle way of avoiding the real issue — whether Scripture actually teaches two gospels or one.

Paul’s writings absolutely verify what Jesus said.
But the key point remains: there’s no biblical evidence of two gospels, even if people interpret them differently.
Both Christ’s words in the Gospels and Paul’s letters proclaim the same message of grace and truth.

“The law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.” (John 1:17)
“By grace are ye saved through faith…” (Eph 2:8)
Different perspectives, same salvation — one Lord, one faith, one gospel.

Grace and Peace

But I nor the other poster is saying there are 2 Gospels. We're saying people have made it into 2 Gospels and we're just explaining how and what they did.