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God already has the very end of this world written down.
Jesus says whoever believes in him has eternal life, and will raise them up on the last day.
He also says that whoever comes to him are in his hand, and no one can take them out of it. It's impossible that he's lying.
However you think his promise applies to a person, his promise is the faithful promise, and it will be fulfilled.

So your just replying to that one statement?

Of course your right, I was refering to tommorow not the end of the world.

When JESUS says that, did he mean HIM or everything HE said?

HE also said, unless a man is born of water and of spirit they can't enter.

Do it's clear that we have to believe in HIM and HIS word.
 
There are those who hear the word of Jesus and use it to tickle their own fancy, and there are those who fear the word of Jesus and come to him to be saved.

This is key and makes a person willing to do whatever it takes to stay on the path. Those who don't fear don't think obedience is necessary
 
So your just replying to that one statement?

Of course your right, I was refering to tommorow not the end of the world.

When JESUS says that, did he mean HIM or everything HE said?

HE also said, unless a man is born of water and of spirit they can't enter.

Do it's clear that we have to believe in HIM and HIS word.
It's not submerging your flesh in the water of the world, but submerging your spirit in the water of his word.
Because the outer body and the water it touches will pass away, but the inner witness and that which it peruses will be taken to the next life.
There are plenty of people who believe in prison, or in a nursing home, or in some other place that inhibits them from a physical baptism, and die before the can do so, who will be saved in the world to come.
Because they saw their former condition, submerged their spirit in fear of the Lord, and arose repentant and determined to follow God, regarding their flesh as dead on the cross with Christ.
 
It's not submerging your flesh in the water of the world, but submerging your spirit in the water of his word.
Because the outer body and the water it touches will pass away, but the inner witness and that which it peruses will be taken to the next life.
There are plenty of people who believe in prison, or in a nursing home, or in some other place that inhibits them from a physical baptism, and die before the can do so, who will be saved in the world to come.
Because they saw their former condition, submerged their spirit in fear of the Lord, and arose repentant and determined to follow God, regarding their flesh as dead on the cross with Christ.

If your implying some may not be able to get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of their sins it's not my rules but HIS.

With that being said, just as JESUS knows your heart if anyone is truly seeking they will find a way to get baptized.

Don't forget also need JESUS to fill us with HIS spirit.
 
It's not submerging your flesh in the water of the world, but submerging your spirit in the water of his word.
Because the outer body and the water it touches will pass away, but the inner witness and that which it peruses will be taken to the next life.
There are plenty of people who believe in prison, or in a nursing home, or in some other place that inhibits them from a physical baptism, and die before the can do so, who will be saved in the world to come.
Because they saw their former condition, submerged their spirit in fear of the Lord, and arose repentant and determined to follow God, regarding their flesh as dead on the cross with Christ.
I should reiterate; the baptism of God is being baptized unto the death of his Son, for our whole life must be put to death in order to inherit the kingdom. It is written: "He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me. He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me isn’t worthy of me. He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.". (Matthew 10:37)
"If anyone comes to me, and doesn’t disregard his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can’t be my disciple.". (Luke 14:26)
A physical baptism is a thing you do in this life, a work of your flesh among the rest of its corruptible works; but your love, hope, and the good things inside you that you have towards, God, these you will carry to his throne.

If a man goes to be baptized, but despises his neighbor—breaking Christs commandment—his baptism means nothing.
If an Israelite gives tithes and sacrifices goats, bulls, and rams, but despises his neighbor, his sacrifices are nothing.
Because a man doesn't need to love to be baptized or give sacrifices, but if he does love despite not being baptized or sacrificing, he is saved.
 
Psalms 25:14-15 (KJV)

14 The secret of the LORD is with them that fear him;
and he will shew them his covenant.
15 Mine eyes are ever toward the LORD;
for he shall pluck my feet out of the net.
 
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I should reiterate; the baptism of God is being baptized unto the death of his Son, for our whole life must be put to death in order to inherit the kingdom. It is written: "He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me. He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me isn’t worthy of me. He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.". (Matthew 10:37)
"If anyone comes to me, and doesn’t disregard his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can’t be my disciple.". (Luke 14:26)
A physical baptism is a thing you do in this life, a work of your flesh among the rest of its corruptible works; but your love, hope, and the good things inside you that you have towards, God, these you will carry to his throne.

If a man goes to be baptized, but despises his neighbor—breaking Christs commandment—his baptism means nothing.
If an Israelite gives tithes and sacrifices goats, bulls, and rams, but despises his neighbor, his sacrifices are nothing.
Because a man doesn't need to love to be baptized or give sacrifices, but if he does love despite not being baptized or sacrificing, he is saved.
That's Theologically Correct
  1. Baptism into Christ’s Death
    You’re echoing Romans 6:3–4:
    “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death…”
    Paul’s point here is that baptism symbolizes dying to self and being raised to new life in Christ. Your phrase “the baptism of God is being baptized unto the death of his Son” captures this spiritual reality.
  2. True Discipleship Requires Self-Denial
    You correctly reference Matthew 10:37–39 and Luke 14:26, which emphasize that following Christ demands complete devotion—even above family, possessions, and life itself. This fits perfectly with the idea that our “old life” must die for the new one in Christ to live (Galatians 2:20).
  3. Outward Acts Without Love Are Worthless
    You’re echoing a consistent biblical theme:
    • 1 Corinthians 13:1–3 — all works without love are nothing.
    • Isaiah 1:11–17 and Amos 5:21–24 — God rejects sacrifices from those who oppress others.
    • 1 John 4:20 — one cannot claim to love God while hating his brother.
      So your line: “If a man goes to be baptized, but despises his neighbor—his baptism means nothing,” is entirely consistent with Scripture.
Where Clarification Helps
  1. Baptism as a Command vs. “Work of the Flesh”
    While baptism is an outward act, it’s not considered merely “a work of the flesh” in most orthodox Christian theology. Scripture presents it as a command of Christ (Matthew 28:19) and a sign of inward faith (Acts 2:38).
    • The act itself doesn’t save (the water has no power),
    • But refusing baptism when one is able is seen as disobedience to Christ’s command.
      So, baptism is not opposed to faith and love—it’s meant to express them.
  2. Faith and Love as the Basis of Salvation
    You correctly emphasize that love fulfills the law (Romans 13:10), and faith works through love (Galatians 5:6).
    But it’s important to say clearly: Salvation comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), and true faith produces love and obedience. Baptism and good works flow out of that faith, not instead of it.
In Summary

Your theology beautifully captures the heart of the gospel compared to others on this forum, pushing false doctrine:
External religion without love is empty.
True baptism is dying to self and living for Christ.
Salvation depends on inner transformation, not outward ritual.

The only nuance to remember: Christian baptism is not meaningless or “of the flesh” when done in faith and obedience—it’s a sacred sign of the inner reality you’re describing.

Grace and Peace
 
That's Theologically Correct
  1. Baptism into Christ’s Death
    You’re echoing Romans 6:3–4:
    “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
    Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death…”
    Paul’s point here is that baptism symbolizes dying to self and being raised to new life in Christ. Your phrase “the baptism of God is being baptized unto the death of his Son” captures this spiritual reality.
  2. True Discipleship Requires Self-Denial
    You correctly reference Matthew 10:37–39 and Luke 14:26, which emphasize that following Christ demands complete devotion—even above family, possessions, and life itself. This fits perfectly with the idea that our “old life” must die for the new one in Christ to live (Galatians 2:20).
  3. Outward Acts Without Love Are Worthless
    You’re echoing a consistent biblical theme:
    • 1 Corinthians 13:1–3 — all works without love are nothing.
    • Isaiah 1:11–17 and Amos 5:21–24 — God rejects sacrifices from those who oppress others.
    • 1 John 4:20 — one cannot claim to love God while hating his brother.
      So your line: “If a man goes to be baptized, but despises his neighbor—his baptism means nothing,” is entirely consistent with Scripture.
Where Clarification Helps
  1. Baptism as a Command vs. “Work of the Flesh”
    While baptism is an outward act, it’s not considered merely “a work of the flesh” in most orthodox Christian theology. Scripture presents it as a command of Christ (Matthew 28:19) and a sign of inward faith (Acts 2:38).
    • The act itself doesn’t save (the water has no power),
    • But refusing baptism when one is able is seen as disobedience to Christ’s command.
      So, baptism is not opposed to faith and love—it’s meant to express them.
  2. Faith and Love as the Basis of Salvation
    You correctly emphasize that love fulfills the law (Romans 13:10), and faith works through love (Galatians 5:6).
    But it’s important to say clearly: Salvation comes by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), and true faith produces love and obedience. Baptism and good works flow out of that faith, not instead of it.
In Summary

Your theology beautifully captures the heart of the gospel compared to others on this forum, pushing false doctrine:
External religion without love is empty.
True baptism is dying to self and living for Christ.
Salvation depends on inner transformation, not outward ritual.

The only nuance to remember: Christian baptism is not meaningless or “of the flesh” when done in faith and obedience—it’s a sacred sign of the inner reality you’re describing.

Grace and Peace
I don't know where to go to be baptized so that the sign falls appropriately on the hearts of men. Being baptized at an institution could appear as a baptism into an institution, and I've figured performing the truth is a better sign of inward baptism into the truth. And if baptism was to only happen once, what purpose would it serve as a credential if you interacted with people who never saw it?
But the Father can baptize me when I ask him.
 
I should reiterate; the baptism of God is being baptized unto the death of his Son, for our whole life must be put to death in order to inherit the kingdom. It is written: "He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he who loves son or daughter more than me isn’t worthy of me. He who doesn’t take his cross and follow after me isn’t worthy of me. He who seeks his life will lose it; and he who loses his life for my sake will find it.". (Matthew 10:37)
"If anyone comes to me, and doesn’t disregard his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can’t be my disciple.". (Luke 14:26)
A physical baptism is a thing you do in this life, a work of your flesh among the rest of its corruptible works; but your love, hope, and the good things inside you that you have towards, God, these you will carry to his throne.

If a man goes to be baptized, but despises his neighbor—breaking Christs commandment—his baptism means nothing.
If an Israelite gives tithes and sacrifices goats, bulls, and rams, but despises his neighbor, his sacrifices are nothing.
Because a man doesn't need to love to be baptized or give sacrifices, but if he does love despite not being baptized or sacrificing, he is saved.

You seem like you really have a lot of love in you and you Love the Lord the way you write.

As we know JESUS is the word. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Before JESUS ascended the second time he told HIS disciples this.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

So HE said HE will give us words to say.

I would like you to look at this verse and tell me (I DON'T KNOW) who was speaking.

This was the first verse that JESUS promised to be preached in Jerusalem.

We also know that JESUS knows the future so to me HE planned it from the book of Genesis.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I think it was JESUS through the Holy Ghost speaking through Peter because of what Peter said in verse 39.

The promise is for ALL, Peter had no idea the Samaritans were going to be grafted in, in chapter 8 or the Gentiles in chapter 10.

End result is JESUS loves us and gave us the water to be baptized in to remove our sins and he gave us a promos that we will receive the Holy Ghost.

JESUS said in John 3:5 we need both to be reborn.

As I said, it's HIS rule book and we are to follow HIS rules if we want to be reborn.

Check this out, how much in detail JESUS was.

What does the word John mean in hebrew?

The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (\(\)), which means "God is gracious" or "Yahweh has been gracious". It is formed from the Hebrew words for "God" (\(Yo\) or \(Yoh\)) and "gracious" (\(chanan\)).

GOD GRACIOUSLY gives us the water to remove our sins.

Do you remember what happen to get Zechariah to name him John, amazing.

After we have been baptized in JESUS name and are reborn and we sin because we will all we have to do is repent and confess those sins to JESUS. 1 John 1:8-9

GOD BLESS YOU.
 
I don't know where to go to be baptized so that the sign falls appropriately on the hearts of men. Being baptized at an institution could appear as a baptism into an institution, and I've figured performing the truth is a better sign of inward baptism into the truth. And if baptism was to only happen once, what purpose would it serve as a credential if you interacted with people who never saw it?
But the Father can baptize me when I ask him.

That’s a beautiful reflection — and your desire for a baptism that’s truly from the Father shows real sincerity. You’re right that the outward act means little without the inward truth it represents.

But the act of baptism itself isn’t about joining an institution — it’s about publicly identifying with Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6:3–4). The early believers were baptized wherever they confessed faith, whether by a river, in a house, or through the ministry of another believer (Acts 8:36–38).

The water doesn’t give the grace — God does — yet the obedience of baptism testifies to that inner grace. It’s an outward sign of an inward reality, a way of saying to the world: “My old life is buried, and I now live in Christ.”

You’re right that the Father can baptize by His Spirit (John 3:5; Acts 1:5), but water baptism is how we confess it before men — not to earn salvation, but to show we’ve received it. Both belong together: the Spirit makes it real, and the water makes it visible.

May the Lord lead you to the right moment and place — not an institution, but a gathering of believers who baptize in His name, for His glory alone. 🌿

Grace and Peace
 
It’s become clear that some here are deeply confused in their handling of Scripture. No matter how carefully truth is presented, they twist it to fit their own ideas.​
This is sobering, because God’s Word warns that when people continually resist truth, He allows them to sink deeper into their own delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:10–12).​
For those of us who love the Word, this should remind us to approach it with reverence, humility, and sound exegesis — rightly dividing the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).​

Grace and Peace
 
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I don't know where to go to be baptized so that the sign falls appropriately on the hearts of men. Being baptized at an institution could appear as a baptism into an institution, and I've figured performing the truth is a better sign of inward baptism into the truth. And if baptism was to only happen once, what purpose would it serve as a credential if you interacted with people who never saw it?
But the Father can baptize me when I ask him.

You could run an ad in Craigslist or Marketplace (I'm assuming you're American) seeking someone to baptize you. Perhaps an independent-minded person or retired missionary would respond. Explain your dilemma, and i'm sure God will provide someone. And btw you don't get baptized "so that the sign falls appropriately on the hearts of men". Baptism is between you and God.

What purpose it serves is debatable, but it does appear to be the antitype of priests being commissioned into the Levitical priesthood described in Leviticus 8. Jesus fulfilled all righteousness in this regard by submitting to this ceremony when he was baptized by the greatest Levitcal priest that ever lived, John the baptist. By doing so, John was in essence transferring the priesthood from the order of Levi to the order of Melchizedek. So anyone today is baptized as a priest into the order of Melchizedek

One of my forbears was one of the original 12 founding members of the Baptist church, who also baptized Roger Williams. Yet I wasn"t raised Baptist, or even Christian, so when I did convert I didn't think baptism was necessary because of what people around me taught me. A friend joined the Church of Christ and started pestering me about getting baptized. I resisted and pooh-poohed his urgency because I thought like a lot of people around here do, but eventually came to the conclusion that heated disagreement between brothers wasn't edifying, so out of love I gave him what he wanted and got baptized. I still remember the beaming look on his face when it was over. I thought he was a bit nuts.

To this day my mind is not completely made up on the matter, but the more I interact here with people who resist baptism, the more I become convinced that it really is necessary. I mean how much clearer can it be when Peter says baptism now saves us?
 
You seem like you really have a lot of love in you and you Love the Lord the way you write.

As we know JESUS is the word. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Before JESUS ascended the second time he told HIS disciples this.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

So HE said HE will give us words to say.

I would like you to look at this verse and tell me (I DON'T KNOW) who was speaking.

This was the first verse that JESUS promised to be preached in Jerusalem.

We also know that JESUS knows the future so to me HE planned it from the book of Genesis.

Acts 2:38-39
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I think it was JESUS through the Holy Ghost speaking through Peter because of what Peter said in verse 39.

The promise is for ALL, Peter had no idea the Samaritans were going to be grafted in, in chapter 8 or the Gentiles in chapter 10.

End result is JESUS loves us and gave us the water to be baptized in to remove our sins and he gave us a promos that we will receive the Holy Ghost.

JESUS said in John 3:5 we need both to be reborn.

As I said, it's HIS rule book and we are to follow HIS rules if we want to be reborn.

Check this out, how much in detail JESUS was.

What does the word John mean in hebrew?

The name John comes from the Hebrew name Yochanan (\(\)), which means "God is gracious" or "Yahweh has been gracious". It is formed from the Hebrew words for "God" (\(Yo\) or \(Yoh\)) and "gracious" (\(chanan\)).

GOD GRACIOUSLY gives us the water to remove our sins.

Do you remember what happen to get Zechariah to name him John, amazing.

After we have been baptized in JESUS name and are reborn and we sin because we will all we have to do is repent and confess those sins to JESUS. 1 John 1:8-9

GOD BLESS YOU.
I sincerely don't think you mean any wrong; but God also directly commanded through Moses to sacrifice bulls & goats.
As much as it was a physical demonstration of obedience to God, it was also a prophecy of the spiritual fruits we should offer him. It's also written that God doesn't delight in the sacrifices of bulls & goats, but the knowledge of God above anything a man has.
If Peter was speaking through the Spirit of Jesus, he was also speaking of the spiritual matter.
You could run an ad in Craigslist or Marketplace (I'm assuming you're American) seeking someone to baptize you. Perhaps an independent-minded person or retired missionary would respond. Explain your dilemma, and i'm sure God will provide someone. And btw you don't get baptized "so that the sign falls appropriately on the hearts of men". Baptism is between you and God.

What purpose it serves is debatable, but it does appear to be the antitype of priests being commissioned into the Levitical priesthood described in Leviticus 8. Jesus fulfilled all righteousness in this regard by submitting to this ceremony when he was baptized by the greatest Levitcal priest that ever lived, John the baptist. By doing so, John was in essence transferring the priesthood from the order of Levi to the order of Melchizedek. So anyone today is baptized as a priest into the order of Melchizedek

One of my forbears was one of the original 12 founding members of the Baptist church, who also baptized Roger Williams. Yet I wasn"t raised Baptist, or even Christian, so when I did convert I didn't think baptism was necessary because of what people around me taught me. A friend joined the Church of Christ and started pestering me about getting baptized. I resisted and pooh-poohed his urgency because I thought like a lot of people around here do, but eventually came to the conclusion that heated disagreement between brothers wasn't edifying, so out of love I gave him what he wanted and got baptized. I still remember the beaming look on his face when it was over. I thought he was a bit nuts.

To this day my mind is not completely made up on the matter, but the more I interact here with people who resist baptism, the more I become convinced that it really is necessary. I mean how much clearer can it be when Peter says baptism now saves us?
I don't currently have a reason to be baptized out of love for men's sake, but I will admit this thread has moved me.
I've asked God, and if he leads me water and anything comes from me being submerged, I'll return a sincere report. (I was baptized a baby, and did have a fall, and haven't been baptized since I set my heart towards God again.)
 
I sincerely don't think you mean any wrong; but God also directly commanded through Moses to sacrifice bulls & goats.
As much as it was a physical demonstration of obedience to God, it was also a prophecy of the spiritual fruits we should offer him. It's also written that God doesn't delight in the sacrifices of bulls & goats, but the knowledge of God above anything a man has.
If Peter was speaking through the Spirit of Jesus, he was also speaking of the spiritual matter.

I don't currently have a reason to be baptized out of love for men's sake, but I will admit this thread has moved me.
I've asked God, and if he leads me water and anything comes from me being submerged, I'll return a sincere report. (I was baptized a baby, and did have a fall, and haven't been baptized since I set my heart towards God again.)

I think the question is how do we get rid of our sins.

OT GOD gave them spifice instructions, we had to give animal sacrifices to give to the high priest and he gave burnt offerings to GOD for our sins. It had to be done ones a year.

Today JESUS is our high priest and HE provide HIMSELF for our lamb.

So all we have to do today is get baptized in JESUS name to get rid of them.
 
That’s a beautiful reflection — and your desire for a baptism that’s truly from the Father shows real sincerity. You’re right that the outward act means little without the inward truth it represents.

But the act of baptism itself isn’t about joining an institution — it’s about publicly identifying with Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6:3–4). The early believers were baptized wherever they confessed faith, whether by a river, in a house, or through the ministry of another believer (Acts 8:36–38).

The water doesn’t give the grace — God does — yet the obedience of baptism testifies to that inner grace. It’s an outward sign of an inward reality, a way of saying to the world: “My old life is buried, and I now live in Christ.”

You’re right that the Father can baptize by His Spirit (John 3:5; Acts 1:5), but water baptism is how we confess it before men — not to earn salvation, but to show we’ve received it. Both belong together: the Spirit makes it real, and the water makes it visible.

May the Lord lead you to the right moment and place — not an institution, but a gathering of believers who baptize in His name, for His glory alone. 🌿

Grace and Peace

It would be great if you could back up what you say with HIS word then we know it to be true.

"But the act of baptism itself isn’t about joining an institution — it’s about publicly identifying with Christ’s death and resurrection (Romans 6:3–4). The early believers were baptized wherever they confessed faith, whether by a river, in a house, or through the ministry of another believer (Acts 8:36–38).

The water doesn’t give the grace — God does — yet the obedience of baptism testifies to that inner grace. It’s an outward sign of an inward reality, a way of saying to the world: “My old life is buried, and I now live in Christ.”"

Can you back up the bolded parts with HIS word please?
 
It is accurate For Paul to say what he did, which is that Christ did not send him to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

So what Paul wasn't sent to baptize people, his team did.

Paul did in fact baptize people.

JESUS also wasn't sent to baptize but HIS team did starting with John.

That does not prove we are not to be baptized.
 
It is accurate For Paul to say what he did, which is that Christ did not send him to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

But even so he did personally baptize some and I'm sure when he had others with him, like Silas and Timothy, they baptized the converts. Paul just didn't want people saying they were baptized unto Paul, so he refrained from doing so.
 
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But Paul repeatedly baptized converts in the book of Acts, so it's not accurate to say that it wasn't part of his work

It amazes me how many battle being baptized.

I know why, Satan knows what happens when we are baptized and he don't like it.

Satan's plan keep them out of the water, if they do get in the water keep JESUS name out of it.

So what Paul wasn't sent to baptize people, his team did.

Paul did in fact baptize people.

JESUS also wasn't sent to baptize but HIS team did starting with John.

That does not prove we are not to be baptized.
 
But even so he did personally baptize some and I'm sure when he had others with him, like Silas and Timothy, they baptized the converts. Paul just didn't want people saying they were baptized unto Paul, so he refrained from doing so.
Yes, he baptized, but it is accurate for him to say he was not sent by Jesus Christ to baptize, but to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians ch 1 v 17
But Paul repeatedly baptized converts in the book of Acts, so it's not accurate to say that it wasn't part of his work