Another Salvation Thread: Sin and Salvation

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This posted by @wattie answers why a person who sins is still saved.

"The spirit is indwelled with the Holy Spirit. From this point, the spirit never sins, but the flesh nature, being human, does."


The Holy Spirit dwelling in the spirit of a person cannot sin, this is what John is explaining in his letter,
Also the new, born again spirit of the believer does not sin. Sin will finally be eradicated when we get our new bodies. That's about when all these arguments about sin will end also.............
 
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Hmm you’re not really helping me with David here since I’ve mentioned that he is the least favorite person in the Bible but you are more clear about doing anything you want and ultimately go to Heaven.
I do agree that God judges the heart but when God says “don’t kill” I don’t want to experiment with pushing the boundaries of understanding clear words.

You have some misunderstandings, I can see. Have you ever hated anyone? You are a murderer. By the way, God does not say, "Do not kill." There were times when he rebuked Israel for not killing their enemies.

David may be your least favourite person in the Bible. He's not my least favourite. He's not God's least favourite either. Jesus was called the Son of David. David was the man "after God's heart".

I'm not advocating a life of sin. As I've said, those who are born again have no desire to sin. They may be weak and fall into sin from time to time. That's not the same thing.
 
Yes I understand this part from endless discussions (with a Calvinist twist) but now I understand you better and I’m not sure that you’ve realized that you contradicted yourself in those two posts earlier.

But yes, God judges the heart and hopefully you don’t end up in jail during the process before you go to Heaven.
53 years in the Lord now. So far, so good.
 
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Hmm you’re not really helping me with David here since I’ve mentioned that he is the least favorite person in the Bible but you are more clear about doing anything you want and ultimately go to Heaven.
I do agree that God judges the heart but when God says “don’t kill” I don’t want to experiment with pushing the boundaries of understanding clear words.

God says "Don't murder", NOT "Do not execute murderers"!
(Exo. 20:13 with Exo. 21:12,14,15,16,17&23, Rom. 13:3-4)
Clear words.
 
I think some of the most self-righteous people around are those who pride themselves in not doing any works.
Just because believers understand that works are not the basis or means by which we obtain salvation (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) does not mean that we take pride in not doing any works. Good works glorify our Father in heaven (Matthew 5:16) and are good and beneficial for people (Titus 3:8) and believers are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:10)

So, we should absolutely do good works but for the right reasons and with the right motivation. Not to be seen by others and get a pat on the back or attempt to merit salvation but to the serve the Lord and care for others from a heart of love and gratitude. :)
 
You have some misunderstandings, I can see. Have you ever hated anyone? You are a murderer. By the way, God does not say, "Do not kill." There were times when he rebuked Israel for not killing their enemies.

David may be your least favourite person in the Bible. He's not my least favourite. He's not God's least favourite either. Jesus was called the Son of David. David was the man "after God's heart".

I'm not advocating a life of sin. As I've said, those who are born again have no desire to sin. They may be weak and fall into sin from time to time. That's not the same thing.

Very contradictory post here too.
In one post you say you’re sinless and in another you say that even a bad thought is a sin.
Not sure why you’re so contradictory with this topic, with others that I’ve talked to you, you’ve been very clear but it is what it is.
 
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God says "Don't murder", NOT "Do not execute murderers"!
(Exo. 20:13 with Exo. 21:12,14,15,16,17&23, Rom. 13:3-4)
Clear words.

You are also very clueless in a debate as I’ve mentioned to you on my previous posts where you’re unable to process questions or ideas.
As I mentioned to you, the word “murder” doesn’t exist in the Albanian language.
The same thing with the sentence “born again”.
In Greek that’s not a word either.
The proper translation in English would be “repent” or “choose a new path” which is what salvation is.
You begin a new journey with God and you GIVE your life to God.

It’s not a one time transaction where your lawyer notarizes it and you keep doing what you’ve been doing. Even the language used in English where you use “paid” emphasizes this transaction.

But yes tell me something meaningless in acronyms now.
 
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We need a thread on righteousness. Christians are too obsessed with sin

A thread about righteousness is called The Didache - Doctrine that Builds on the Gospel.
It began by considering the TOJ in the Sermon on the Mount, then the TOP in Ephesians.
Now it is continuing by examining the other two prison epistles, currently Philippians.
 
You are also very clueless in a debate as I’ve mentioned to you on my previous posts where you’re unable to process questions or ideas.
As I mentioned to you, the word “murder” doesn’t exist in the Albanian language.
The same thing with the sentence “born again”.
In Greek that’s not a word either.
The proper translation in English would be “repent” or “choose a new path” which is what salvation is.
You begin a new journey with God and you GIVE your life to God.

It’s not a one time transaction where your lawyer notarizes it and you keep doing what you’ve been doing. Even the language used in English where you use “paid” emphasizes this transaction.

But yes tell me something meaningless in acronyms now.

It would seem impossible for the Albanian language not to have a word for a universal sin such as murder.
Google says there are three nouns (vrasje, njerivrasje and gjakesi) and the verb vras dike.

Can you process that?
 
You have some misunderstandings, I can see. Have you ever hated anyone? You are a murderer. By the way, God does not say, "Do not kill." There were times when he rebuked Israel for not killing their enemies.

David may be your least favourite person in the Bible. He's not my least favourite. He's not God's least favourite either. Jesus was called the Son of David. David was the man "after God's heart".

I'm not advocating a life of sin. As I've said, those who are born again have no desire to sin. They may be weak and fall into sin from time to time. That's not the same thing.

Yes, and the reason David was a man after God's own heart was because David confessed his sinfulness.
 
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It would seem impossible for the Albanian language not to have a word for a universal sin such as murder.
Google says there are three nouns (vrasje, njerivrasje and gjakesi) and the verb vras dike.

Can you process that?

This is why the Schism happened.
Not only we (me and you) have generational differences but we have huge cultural differences.
Process that.
 
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Jesus didn't teach this kind of confusion. Love neighbor as self, love as I love you, do to others as you want them to do to you are all the same thing.
Perhaps you should read John 13:34-35. Jesus gives a new commandment. Why?

Loving neighbor as self was part of the old covenant. Loving someone with the love of Christ is only possible in the new covenant as Christ lives in and through an individual...Galatians 2:20.

You speak often of righteousness. True righteousness not only includes the outward aspects of the law, but the correct inward motivation of the law. Only Jesus living in and through an individual can achieve this.
 
Yes, and the reason David was a man after God's own heart was because David confessed his sinfulness.
A man after God's own heart doesn't mean an individual possesses a heart like God's. It means God chose according to His heart. The people chose Saul to rule over them. Saul was a man after the people's hearts. God chose David. He was a man after God's heart.