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    Understanding God’s election

    Oh...you want to "apply" God's Word to Pharaoh, do you? Then apply these passages which I'll quote in chronological order and see if you're capable of connecting the dots: Gen 15:12-16 12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13...
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    Understanding God’s election

    God didn't "allow" anything. God himself hardened Pharaoh's heart by his own decree! Learn how to read.
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    Understanding God’s election

    Why don't you answer the questions I raised in my 14,941? I'm dying to know which nations in the world consist of God's 'secret elect" chosen, covenant peoples.
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    But don't nations consist of individuals? Are you suggesting that God doesn't save individuals but only saves entire nations, as in each and every person in each and every nation? Who are all these saved nations, pray tell!? Do you have a list of them? Does the bible tell us who these elect...
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    I should be more precise than Paul's lead-in to Rom 9, which is v.6? Paul is using his Old Covenant people to explain precisely what the grounds of Unconditional Election are -- and the basis for election is definitely not man's faith or man's "freewill" decision to repent and believe the...
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    Your bible must have a very different kind of chapter 9. Rom 9 in my bible says that election is entirely in God's hands. He's in charge and He brings whosoever He wishes into a personal, covenant, loving relationship with Him.
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    Understanding God’s election

    On the other hand Paul is "simply explaining" why God's election of Israel had not failed (Rom 9:6)!
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    Understanding God’s election

    You're wrong as usual! Read down to v. 7 wherein Paul identifies for Timothy who he means by "all" men, and it's not all men w/o exception! FOR THIS PURPOSE...I was appointed...a teacher to the Gentiles! First observation: Jews are not mentioned in the context of this passage, which would...
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    Understanding God’s election

    And this is precisely where you lame, man-made theory crashes to the ground; for under this New Covenant economy there are neither Jew or Greeks. There is only the Israel of God, which consists of all God's covenant people which consist of Abraham's descendants of promise (Col 3:11) You should...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Pure nonsense! You have utterly failed to make your case for a Jewish only audience for Rom 7ff. You artificially dichotomize the recipients of Paul's letter. Rom 7 -11 doesn't have any application at all for Gentile believers!? Are you out of your mind!? You can't even comprehend what Paul...
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    And what role, specifically, does the Holy Spirit play in a sinner's salvation. My bible tells me that man must be born of the Word and the Spirit. And you say that God isn't merely "trying to save people". If he's not merely providing opportunities for people to be saved, then this can only...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Your apology is accepted. You're a breath of fresh air in here. You have some integrity and humility in you, which are welcome attributes on forums like this. I have written quite often about 1Tim 2:3ff. The "all men" is not used by Paul in this passage to mean all men w/o exception; for if...
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    Tell me, Mr. Fake Wanna-be Exegete: Tell me precisely who the "all men" are in 1Tim 2:3ff.
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    Understanding God’s election

    The only things you believe are all the presuppositions you have read into the bible.
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    Which coming from you isn't saying very much at all...
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    Hey...you have a bad memory on top of everything else? You're the one who mocked God with your "secret elect" snide remark. Yeah...God does not reveal all things to us and he never has and he never will on this side of eternity. Here's another piece of "one verse theology" that you can stuff...
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    FWT = Free Will Theology. Since you claim that Deut 29:29 is also God's Word, then why can't you just accept at face value what the passage says? Re 2Pet 3:9: You write an awful lot to say that Peter is addressing... believers? His audience is God's elect? So...then since he was NOT...
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    Understanding God’s election

    So Deut 29:29 isn't God's Word? And you're still a lousy apologist for FWT! For example, who is the "you" in 2Pet 3:9?
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    So, you have no idea either what the grounds for divine favoritism would be. You have a lot of company. "Grace lottery"? How about divine prerogative? Does not the Potter have the right to make from one lump of bad clay (that is used for common or mundane purposes) a second lump that he'll...
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    Understanding God’s election

    Do not the things God has revealed belong to us, yet the secret things He has not revealed belong to Him alone (Deut 29:29)? It sounds like you have a severe case of deity envy!